• mastertigurius@lemmy.world
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    Norway has been considered to be super-expensive among tourists and others looking in from abroad. However, Norwegians going to the US really have to mind their spending nowadays, especially when eating out. Forcing employees to rely on tips to get above slave wage is generally not a thing in Europe, so the price we see on the menu is what we expect to pay.

    If you go to a gas station near an airport in Western Norway, you can get a massive 300g burger (3/4 lb) with added cheese and bacon for about 200 kroner, which is $19. If you want something that normal people can finish, a regular 150g cheeseburger is about $12. A McDonald’s double cheeseburger is 43 kroner, or $4.12. If you order a burger at a restaurant or a pub, you’ll probably be spending about $25 for a bacon cheeseburger with included fries. You’re not expected to tip in Norway.

    Considering that the prices Americans here refer to don’t include taxes and tips, I’m actually pretty sure it would be more expensive to eat out in the US than in Norway, and average pay for a waiter/waitress here is about $41 000 per year.

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      Forcing employees to rely on tips to get above slave wage is generally not a thing in Europe

      It is in England (which while not in the EU, it is in Europe). And unlike the US, they will try to guilt you into a big auto tip.

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    people used to think I was on crazy pills because I for some reason used to point to 2008 as my favorite nostalgia year.

    Nothing particularly major happened with mine, no sports team championship, no graduation, no first date, nothing like that, and my family was for the most part, well insulated from the financial crisis, we lived in a country that was less impacted anyway

    2008 was just another year in the 2000s, I only remember it so well because of the small little gaming communities I had joined online when I was 16, Still talk to and hang out with them today at 32.

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    Here in Japan, a chain has a cheese burger with beef from Kobe, caramelized onions, and gravy made from the drippings for 7.50USD Half that if you want it with regular beef.

    I investigated why things are so cheap and businesses can have the weirdest hours (there’s a bar in Tokyo that’s only open for 5 hours a week on fridays), they tax unused commercial property (for certain definitions of unused, like in rural areas just throwing some gravel down and letting your neighbor park there for a few bucks can be enough to dodge the tax), so companies offer extremely competitive rates to get businesses in. The .4% interest rate and very cheap remodeling costs (except plumbers for some reason) serve to keep startup more accessible, so places don’t have to be super profitable to exist. The taxes work in conjunction with the interest rates to keep banks and capital firms from just buying everything up with the free money to establish a local monopoly and drive up prices. There’s probably other things driving down home and commercial property costs, it’s mindboggling to see a 3 floor+attic, 800sqft/floor building in the center of a city with 10 million people and have the business owner say he’s renting it because the owner wanted 2.5m to buy the whole thing, and that was too much.

    I know China manages to keep commercial property somewhat cheap by having 5 year plans and SoEs/universities guarantee the commercial sectors have the inputs such as steel, concrete, and skilled labor they’ll need at a specific price point, but I’ve never managed to talk to someone about tax policies and the like.

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      Uhg. All of the commercial real estate in the US is mortgaged and the owners just roll it over continuously - allowing the banks to set policy in contract to not reduce the $/sqft of commercial real estate. So everything here is just empty and the owners can write off the empty stores as losses on their taxes to offset the taxes from their profits.

      There are so many things that can be done to fix the US but they chose to triple-down on the approaches that broke everything. Sigh. I’m really happy to hear Japan figured out the right balance. It’d be amazing if those best practices could be imported but I’m sure they’ll start tarriffing ideas soon too.

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    There’s never been a better time to learn how to cook! Smash burgers are dead simple with a good cheap second hand cast iron pan and a sauncepan clad in aluminium foil to “smash” with. Thicc™ burgers are best done with a reverse sear. Put them in the oven until desired level of “done”, then sear them in a hot pan for a minute or two for colour and texture.

    Burgersauce is just mayonnaise, ketchup, mustard, chopped up pickles and black pepper.

    EDIT: Oh, and if you want crispy af bacon, start them in a cold non-stick pan with no added fat and let them get up to medium heat. That way the fat will render out slowely and deep-fry the bacon in it.

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      While it’s never been a better time to be forced to learn how to cook, a lot of people are more stressed and more overworked than they’ve ever been and even in the pre-union days they often had someone cooking and cleaning for them(I’m glad that women have equal rights and autonomy now but the point remains). Fact is, for a lot of people I really understand the hesitation. I can cook just fine, and try not to eat out, but I will find myself just doing crackers/cheese/meat instead of cooking a full meal just out of a lack of motivation.

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    Coming out of left field here, but… scaling beef production is not very sustainable?

    Like, unless it’s a rare treat, I feel like beef has to go artificial or prices keep going up, even if wealth distribution is worked out.

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      True, to an extent. But the price of a pound of hamburger at the grocery store has gone up relatively equal to inflation.

      In a lot of places, minimum wage has raise 3x to when it originally was. But they’re paying this wage bumps off and just a handful of sales.

      Commercial real estate is probably up about 3x from where it was when we were eating $4.75 bodacious bacon cheeseburgers from Roy Rogers

      I think, pretty much, we’re looking at disproportionately high real estate costs and greed.

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        Don’t neglect the fact that commercial real estate owners will arbitrarily jack rent 3x year over year. It’s basically the reason that established restaurants go out of business. Almost every restaurant that is over 20 years old owns their building.

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          Yeah, it’s turtles greed all-the-way down.

          The commercial real estate market, of all things, should be able to self-regulate. A property sitting empty is losing them tax money, get too many shuttered businesses together and the property value drops.

          Few things market-correct in these late-day capitalism hellscapes, but commercial property either corrects or gets bulldozed and bought by someone who corrects (and maybe rezones) it. Sometimes it just takes a decade or so.

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      I mean, I agree, but beef consumption in the US has dropped in the past 20 years. And you can find similar price stories for all meal prices, regardless of ingredients.

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    $17 for a burger, even if it really did look like the picture, which we all know it doesn’t, is way too much. No, thank you.

    I pay $12/day to feed myself. I make all of my own meals at home, I haven’t eaten out since the pandemic. I formed the habit, and just kept cooking at home as prices got ridiculous. My diet is excellent, mostly fresh vegetables, and organic chicken.

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      It,s still “cheap” for what goes into producing a beef patty. Impossible meat is just as expensive and you don’t have to feed and care and torture an animal to produce it.

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        For commercial rent that nearly seems reasonable. Especially considering what they’re charging for dentistry, that’s like… 3 people without insurance? 🥲

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          My rent was $8,000 a month in 2009 for a strip mall restaurant that sat 40 people. It wasn’t in an expensive area either.

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    Burgers are fine-dining now. Still trying to find cheap food that’s nutritious and doesn’t contain too much fiber for medical reasons. Eventually that will be fine dining prices too.

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    The CEO’s, shareholders and the 1% need to make more! There is no fucking way I am going to spend $17.00 for a fucking cheeseburger.

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      In 2025 a chocolate shake is 5.49 at the sonic near me. I thought that was expensive but compared to this thread apparently inflation on milkshakes hasn’t been to bad. Though I’m pretty sure you can get a $10 shake if you start asking them to add every kind of diabetes candy into it.

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        There’s a fast food chain where I live called Nifty Fifty’s ('50s themed of course). They have “dessert milkshakes” for $9.85 - basically shakes with a whole extra dessert blended in - and if you get it malted you’re at $10.50. TBF they’re really fucking good milkshakes, but $10 is ridiculous.

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    One of my parents said that steaks were 35 cents when they were kids.

    I am not looking forward to my Walmart cheese & breadstick snacks costing $70 bucks for a set of five.