I too sometimes wear anarchism panties on my face.
Well now I need a pair of anarchism panties. For when I’m doing anarchism.
We have a situation. A situation that calls for anarchism panties.
The patriarchy cries when you wear anarchy panties on your face.
Been a little too long. Never as fun if they’re your own.
Not too fond of genocides and presidents for life
Read some theory you capitalist stooge
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Oh, so that’s fine when America does it???!!?1!1??1 < average ml. user
The folks saying that this is ablesist. I hear you and I think I mostly agree. But this is one I kind of struggle on. Which “haha person is stupid” kinds of things are making fun of people who are mentally handicapped? And which ones are just making fun of people for being plain old stupid? Or is it ablesist to say that a person behaving stupidly is stupid?
Like, if you’re making a meme and want to portray the anti-vaxer or nazi or whatever as being stupid or cruel or whatever, how do you do that without being ablesist? (“Inteligence is biological”, “psychopathy is a disease”, etc)
edit: oh whoops. And fuck tankies. Forgot to add that
Which “haha person is stupid” kinds of things are making fun of people who are mentally handicapped? And which ones are just making fun of people for being plain old stupid? Or is it ablesist to say that a person behaving stupidly is stupid?
Kinda, yeah. And this is somewhere some hard conversations have to happen in leftist anti-ableist spaces to figure out the way forward. Memes play on stereotypes and cultural shorthand to communicate with very few words, and the culture is ableist so our memes sometimes will be too. There’s a split in definitions - stupid can be a perjorative for disabled people, or it can be a remark on willful ignorance and self-sabotaging malice. And using SAT words to more accurately describe their behavior leads to the wall 'o text leftist ‘memes’ that nobody wants to read. But calling them stupid is still ableist.
In some cases you can get around this by playing on anti-intellectual stereotypes but then you’re usually just using classist stereotypes… am I just forgetting some or is every insult that doesn’t make you sound like an egghead punching down on someone?
IDK. Everything is fucked.
There comes a point where you can drive yourself crazy trying to be perfectly ethical with your speech. Personally, I say choose your battles and this isn’t one of em.
Calling something or someone ‘stupid’ is just evading actual criticism. The fact is that nazi’s and anti-vaxers aren’t necessarily ‘stupid’. And people with learning disabilities are often neither anti vax nor nazi.
Nazi’s are evil because they want to remove queer people, non-white people, disabled people etc from society (probably by either killing or enslaving them).
Anti-vaxers are either dangerously misinformed or so arrogant that they think they know better than scientists who studied years to understand the human immune system.
i hate the political compass i hate the political compass i hate the political compass i hate the political compass
It is American Libertarian propaganda. The y-axis is clearly coded in a way that is biased in favor of Libertarians that is not useful to explaining political positions. The y-axis should be labeled as a measurement of centralization. edit: misclicks and clarification
Time to piss everyone off by calling all 3 of the portrayed ideologies equally as idiotic but in different ways like a true patriotic leftist infighter
While I approve of the intent; there isn’t 3 ideologies there 😅 one in the middle is just rainbow, so some queer representation.
Back when writing the comment, I had imagined the person with a rainbow to represent some liberal progressive ideology, that’s all about the social cause while actively avoiding the equally as important economic causes/aspects. Though now that I look at it, I suppose you’re right, it might just be a queer person and not a representation of any ideology.
Hmm yes, using ableist language to dunk on the evil tankies.
It’s targeted meanness. It’s a rhetorical tactic. It’s not for general use in conversations. It’s like calling fascists weird, making fun of a terf woman for looking ugly, or calling a transphobe a dumbass for demanding we respect his new pronouns because he put on a dress and makeup.
I’ll use tankies as an example. Tankies are evil demons because they want to use trans people for political purposes and kill us all for not being ideologically pure. If a tanky says they’re on the left call them a dumbass. And if anyone asks what a tanky is tell them that tankies are red fascists aka authoritarian communists.
To be clear, as a trans woman, I don’t want someone who uses ableism as a cudgel online defending me online or in real life. It’s not useful. It does nothing to forward the interests of neurodivergent people and it does nothing to push back on the people who want me dead. All it does is silence rhetorically effective critique of intolerant fascists and makes the person screaming ableism feel morally pure.
Again, it’s targeted. This does not mean we should being using ableist language for no reason or because we feel like it in casual conversation. It’s fine to call out meanness or ableism when it is being used in a way that serves no useful purpose.
Also, the goal isn’t really to use slurs but in theory they could be used. Whatever is useful in the particular social environment. The goal is to be mean to a specific target. This is about leveraging the way social media accumulates engagement and internet culture against intolerant people who we should not tolerate.
Refusing to use targeted meanness in a social war is like refusing to use guns in a physical war. It’s a great way to lose the war.
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Hurr hurr most likely as it is closely aligned with the R word, and the jokes that came with it
It doesn’t help that the original comic says that exact word as the punchline.
People with learning disabilities are frequently stereotyped and ridiculed with exactly the same language & body language op is using to portray the ‘tankie’. Imo it’s no different than using the r word.
I see what you’re saying, but it’s also good and fun to point and laugh at tankies/conservatives/fascists and call them stupid.
Sure, its a little ableist but it’s worth it, and nowhere near the r word. (As a person with fairly severe ADHD and probably a bit of autism in there somewhere since u probably care)
In that case the original meme was indeed using ableism:
- st panel: Look at how I’m being r–word
- nd panel: wow fuck off r-word
- rd panel: haha joke’s on them I was only pretending
It was used to tell off trolls and other online pranksters.
Well yeah, although you could just as easily say something like ‘dumbass’ in place of the r word and have the same idea.
Indeed.
You being neurodivergent doesn’t mean you can decide when ableism is or isn’t okay. The rules of this community are pretty clear about not allowing ableism.
Unrelated, but if being ableist is the only way you can criticise a group of people then maybe you just shouldn’t.
Ableism isn’t justifiable. Someone being a “just” victim doesn’t make it okay. As for if the sounds in question are problematic or not I can’t say I know for sure.
Several people are commenting that it is ableist. If you need an explanation then here is one I could find in a few minutes of searching: https://nicocoer.tumblr.com/post/4040763038/content-warnings-for-use-of-ableist-and
