You have the right to kill in self defense. Many countries consider self defense from a credible threat to be just cause to kill someone.
Even those countries that don’t permit their citizens to use lethal force in self defense are hypocrites, because they will have an army and some branch of armed law enforcement.
Trans people are much more likely to be murdered than cis people. Being armed to mitigate that risk is a not an unreasonable decision. In the US, if a transphobe poses an imminent threat to your life you DO have a legal right to kill them, in most states, laws do vary.
That’s stating the obvious. Further, laws are not Rights nor moral guides. Killing is wrong. Attacking trans people is wrong. The folks in this thread are wrong for lusting to kill. I recommend watching some videos of actual killings and murders and see if you really want to be involved with that.
The only person lusting after anything is you, lusting after trans people remaining passive targets, and transphobes in power who are actively and openly lusting to eliminate trans people from existence.
What everyone here is doing is showing appreciation to a supportive father who understands that their child, being trans, will almost certainly need to defend themselves from that.
I recommend reading the tolerance paradox, and then maybe some history, which will teach you (if you pay any attention at all) that no oppressed people has EVER gained their freedom “peacefully”, and that you demanding it is not only the epitome of privilege, but an active support of those looking to do the eliminating.
I assure you, I’ve read through that literature for a long time. I’m concluding that I’m dealing with a bunch of angry teenagers here. I am in no way shape or form desiring that trans people remain passive targets. if you’re being attacked obviously defend yourself. again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself. This is becoming a stupid waste of my time and I am sure the FBI will keep records on all of you should you actually decide to pick up a gun and do anything about your feelings.
again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself.
I haven’t seen that in this thread at all. All I’ve seen is people commenting on being prepared. No one should want to kill anyone, but sometimes people have the right to (which you agree with now but started saying they don’t) to defend themselves.
Righteousness is in the eye of the beholder. If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands? Would you be happy about the fact that you killed somebody for the rest of your life? Will you always feel that it was righteous to do so? And do you think anyone in a similar situation should feel perfectly justified and freely killing anybody who they feel threatens them in self-defense to just kill and that this is the right thing to do? I don’t think so, so no I don’t believe you have a right to kill somebody every death is a tragedy, the story may just be longer than the particular interaction that led to that killing. Are there deaths that are necessary for the survival of the “good guys”? Maybe, doesn’t make it right to me. It just sucks all around.
If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands?
What is your alternative then? Let’s hear it.
If some transphobe/homophobe/racist/etc corners me and my family/friends (again), what should I do according to you? I’m curious.
Righteousness is in the eye of the beholder. If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands? Would you be happy about the fact that you killed somebody for the rest of your life? Will you always feel that it was righteous to do so? And do you think anyone in a similar situation should feel perfectly justified and freely killing anybody who they feel threatens them in self-defense to just kill and that this is the right thing to do?
I totally agree. Any good person who has to kill another person is going to question it for the rest of their lives. That’s the issue. A not as good person doesn’t care. It’s better to live in regret than not live at all. It sucks so fucking much that anyone has to deal with it, but the world sucks. There isn’t a perfect answer.
You have the right to kill in self defense. Many countries consider self defense from a credible threat to be just cause to kill someone.
Even those countries that don’t permit their citizens to use lethal force in self defense are hypocrites, because they will have an army and some branch of armed law enforcement.
Trans people are much more likely to be murdered than cis people. Being armed to mitigate that risk is a not an unreasonable decision. In the US, if a transphobe poses an imminent threat to your life you DO have a legal right to kill them, in most states, laws do vary.
That’s stating the obvious. Further, laws are not Rights nor moral guides. Killing is wrong. Attacking trans people is wrong. The folks in this thread are wrong for lusting to kill. I recommend watching some videos of actual killings and murders and see if you really want to be involved with that.
The only person lusting after anything is you, lusting after trans people remaining passive targets, and transphobes in power who are actively and openly lusting to eliminate trans people from existence.
What everyone here is doing is showing appreciation to a supportive father who understands that their child, being trans, will almost certainly need to defend themselves from that.
I recommend reading the tolerance paradox, and then maybe some history, which will teach you (if you pay any attention at all) that no oppressed people has EVER gained their freedom “peacefully”, and that you demanding it is not only the epitome of privilege, but an active support of those looking to do the eliminating.
I assure you, I’ve read through that literature for a long time. I’m concluding that I’m dealing with a bunch of angry teenagers here. I am in no way shape or form desiring that trans people remain passive targets. if you’re being attacked obviously defend yourself. again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself. This is becoming a stupid waste of my time and I am sure the FBI will keep records on all of you should you actually decide to pick up a gun and do anything about your feelings.
I haven’t seen that in this thread at all. All I’ve seen is people commenting on being prepared. No one should want to kill anyone, but sometimes people have the right to (which you agree with now but started saying they don’t) to defend themselves.
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From your top comment of this thread:
People do sometimes have the right to kill someone.
Righteousness is in the eye of the beholder. If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands? Would you be happy about the fact that you killed somebody for the rest of your life? Will you always feel that it was righteous to do so? And do you think anyone in a similar situation should feel perfectly justified and freely killing anybody who they feel threatens them in self-defense to just kill and that this is the right thing to do? I don’t think so, so no I don’t believe you have a right to kill somebody every death is a tragedy, the story may just be longer than the particular interaction that led to that killing. Are there deaths that are necessary for the survival of the “good guys”? Maybe, doesn’t make it right to me. It just sucks all around.
What is your alternative then? Let’s hear it.
If some transphobe/homophobe/racist/etc corners me and my family/friends (again), what should I do according to you? I’m curious.
I totally agree. Any good person who has to kill another person is going to question it for the rest of their lives. That’s the issue. A not as good person doesn’t care. It’s better to live in regret than not live at all. It sucks so fucking much that anyone has to deal with it, but the world sucks. There isn’t a perfect answer.
fwiw I think you’re being completely reasonable
If you’re in a situation where you can justifiably kill in selfself defense, choosing inaction will not prevent your involvement with that.
No one is encouraging trans people to kill innocent people for no reason.
They’re also much more likely to commit suicide.
If it does mitigate that risk. It also increases the risk of suicide, though, which is already much higher than average for trans people.