The only person lusting after anything is you, lusting after trans people remaining passive targets, and transphobes in power who are actively and openly lusting to eliminate trans people from existence.
What everyone here is doing is showing appreciation to a supportive father who understands that their child, being trans, will almost certainly need to defend themselves from that.
I recommend reading the tolerance paradox, and then maybe some history, which will teach you (if you pay any attention at all) that no oppressed people has EVER gained their freedom “peacefully”, and that you demanding it is not only the epitome of privilege, but an active support of those looking to do the eliminating.
I assure you, I’ve read through that literature for a long time. I’m concluding that I’m dealing with a bunch of angry teenagers here. I am in no way shape or form desiring that trans people remain passive targets. if you’re being attacked obviously defend yourself. again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself. This is becoming a stupid waste of my time and I am sure the FBI will keep records on all of you should you actually decide to pick up a gun and do anything about your feelings.
again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself.
I haven’t seen that in this thread at all. All I’ve seen is people commenting on being prepared. No one should want to kill anyone, but sometimes people have the right to (which you agree with now but started saying they don’t) to defend themselves.
Righteousness is in the eye of the beholder. If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands? Would you be happy about the fact that you killed somebody for the rest of your life? Will you always feel that it was righteous to do so? And do you think anyone in a similar situation should feel perfectly justified and freely killing anybody who they feel threatens them in self-defense to just kill and that this is the right thing to do? I don’t think so, so no I don’t believe you have a right to kill somebody every death is a tragedy, the story may just be longer than the particular interaction that led to that killing. Are there deaths that are necessary for the survival of the “good guys”? Maybe, doesn’t make it right to me. It just sucks all around.
If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands?
What is your alternative then? Let’s hear it.
If some transphobe/homophobe/racist/etc corners me and my family/friends (again), what should I do according to you? I’m curious.
… What did you do the first time it happened to you? You said “(again)” so did you literally KILL them? Or do you simply regret not KILLING them. Apparently since I don’t approve of killing people I have to list all the incountable ways that you can deal with all kinds of negative confrontations without resorting to literally killing someone. This has been a very stupid day defending the most basic idea that maybe we shouldn’t just kill people and maybe we shouldn’t fantasize about killing people.
I didn’t, but only through luck. If we weren’t lucky, I would have had to kill them, or more likely I would have had to try to.
Apparently since I don’t approve of killing people I have to list all the incountable ways that you can deal with all kinds of negative confrontations without resorting to literally killing someone.
Please, do tell me how I could have managed to deal with multiple drunk guys cornering and trying to beat/stab us to death.
This has been a very stupid day defending the most basic idea that maybe we shouldn’t just kill people and maybe we shouldn’t fantasize about killing people.
I think what’s even more stupid, is coming into a community of vulnerable people, and telling them that by defending themselves from aggressors makes them bad people, that they’ll have blood on their hands and they won’t be able to live with themselves.
I honestly think you’re either one of two things: You’re either an alt right troll, or worse, you’re someone who thinks themselves an ally, but has absolutely zero practical experience in the matter.
I mean anyone who says the following:
If self defense was really the goal why didn’t the father gift their child a bullet proof vest or a shield or pepper spray or a taser or any other of the myriad options that exist in the real world to defend yourself from attackers?
Is either trolling, or unintentionally trying to get people killed through bad advice.
Either way, you’re helping the regressives, not us.
Righteousness is in the eye of the beholder. If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands? Would you be happy about the fact that you killed somebody for the rest of your life? Will you always feel that it was righteous to do so? And do you think anyone in a similar situation should feel perfectly justified and freely killing anybody who they feel threatens them in self-defense to just kill and that this is the right thing to do?
I totally agree. Any good person who has to kill another person is going to question it for the rest of their lives. That’s the issue. A not as good person doesn’t care. It’s better to live in regret than not live at all. It sucks so fucking much that anyone has to deal with it, but the world sucks. There isn’t a perfect answer.
The only person lusting after anything is you, lusting after trans people remaining passive targets, and transphobes in power who are actively and openly lusting to eliminate trans people from existence.
What everyone here is doing is showing appreciation to a supportive father who understands that their child, being trans, will almost certainly need to defend themselves from that.
I recommend reading the tolerance paradox, and then maybe some history, which will teach you (if you pay any attention at all) that no oppressed people has EVER gained their freedom “peacefully”, and that you demanding it is not only the epitome of privilege, but an active support of those looking to do the eliminating.
I assure you, I’ve read through that literature for a long time. I’m concluding that I’m dealing with a bunch of angry teenagers here. I am in no way shape or form desiring that trans people remain passive targets. if you’re being attacked obviously defend yourself. again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself. This is becoming a stupid waste of my time and I am sure the FBI will keep records on all of you should you actually decide to pick up a gun and do anything about your feelings.
I haven’t seen that in this thread at all. All I’ve seen is people commenting on being prepared. No one should want to kill anyone, but sometimes people have the right to (which you agree with now but started saying they don’t) to defend themselves.
CITATION NEEDED
From your top comment of this thread:
People do sometimes have the right to kill someone.
Righteousness is in the eye of the beholder. If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands? Would you be happy about the fact that you killed somebody for the rest of your life? Will you always feel that it was righteous to do so? And do you think anyone in a similar situation should feel perfectly justified and freely killing anybody who they feel threatens them in self-defense to just kill and that this is the right thing to do? I don’t think so, so no I don’t believe you have a right to kill somebody every death is a tragedy, the story may just be longer than the particular interaction that led to that killing. Are there deaths that are necessary for the survival of the “good guys”? Maybe, doesn’t make it right to me. It just sucks all around.
What is your alternative then? Let’s hear it.
If some transphobe/homophobe/racist/etc corners me and my family/friends (again), what should I do according to you? I’m curious.
… What did you do the first time it happened to you? You said “(again)” so did you literally KILL them? Or do you simply regret not KILLING them. Apparently since I don’t approve of killing people I have to list all the incountable ways that you can deal with all kinds of negative confrontations without resorting to literally killing someone. This has been a very stupid day defending the most basic idea that maybe we shouldn’t just kill people and maybe we shouldn’t fantasize about killing people.
I didn’t, but only through luck. If we weren’t lucky, I would have had to kill them, or more likely I would have had to try to.
Please, do tell me how I could have managed to deal with multiple drunk guys cornering and trying to beat/stab us to death.
I think what’s even more stupid, is coming into a community of vulnerable people, and telling them that by defending themselves from aggressors makes them bad people, that they’ll have blood on their hands and they won’t be able to live with themselves.
I honestly think you’re either one of two things: You’re either an alt right troll, or worse, you’re someone who thinks themselves an ally, but has absolutely zero practical experience in the matter.
I mean anyone who says the following:
Is either trolling, or unintentionally trying to get people killed through bad advice.
Either way, you’re helping the regressives, not us.
I totally agree. Any good person who has to kill another person is going to question it for the rest of their lives. That’s the issue. A not as good person doesn’t care. It’s better to live in regret than not live at all. It sucks so fucking much that anyone has to deal with it, but the world sucks. There isn’t a perfect answer.
fwiw I think you’re being completely reasonable