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    LMFAO. This meme makes me second-hand embarrassed for Europeans. For 3 reasons.

    First, it is politically illiterate and whoever made it is clearly not a serious person.

    Second, pretending you’re in Star Wars? Really?

    Third, you have not and will never be the ‘good guys’ in any sort of fight, as long as you are a union of capitalist nations still feasting off of the stolen wealth of the global south.

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    Idiots. The world should be ONE already for at least 26 years. We are thrown back in time by fascist dictators

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    Europe is america and israel’s bitch.

    The image should be a dog on Vader’s leash.

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      yeah always funny. The main achivement they got was grpd and ubs c on iphone. You dont build an empire base on thoses.

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    The Jedi were neoliberal losers that allowed fascists come to power and cared not for the extreme poverty going on beneath their feet of Coruscant, so yeah putting the blue lightsaber in Europe’s hands is accurate.

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    Okay Russia is understandable cuz they’re in a war, USA understandable cuz they’re saber rattling, but genuinely what is China doing besides minding their own business?

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        economy war is when the west voluntarily hands you all its production and then gets mad that someone somehow handed the production over. i guess.

        edit: the people actually waging economic war on you are your own god damned ruling class.

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          No no no, you don’t understand, we wanted to make money from the ports and produce the cars but they had to be the complex, oil-sucking ones because those are hard to produce and we and our partners made good profits from the oligopoly and making cheap and environment friendly cars is just cheating. It’s against the rules-based world order! Also, Uyghurs!

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        What are you talking about. What country doesn’t want to boost their economy???

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          Between an exchange of goods and services and flooding it by subventiontioning to suppress the competition is teensy tiny difference, no?

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            This is called a “skill issue” on the hand of western imperialists that can’t compete. Stop framing doing better as being evil.

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              Are they even trying to compete considering how many places were happy/eager to send manufacturing overseas in the name of lowering labor costs?

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                Explain how it’s evil to allow the US companies to move their production out of the US? The US corporations could have kept industry here, but they decided to fuck themselves over so that a few shareholders’ margins went up by a few percentage points. That wasn’t China being malicious, that’s the US lacking any sense of foresight while being blinded by greed.

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                  Oh no the Chinese are sending us good quality, cheap goods and letting us pay them with our dogshit overinflated currency. If only we were forced to buy plasticky shit at extortionate prices made by the USA (USA!! USA!!).

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                Evil is the invisible hand of the market fisting the ass of your country, who send their production to a foreign country, and then start crying because they get better after decades of doing what guys should have being doing all along.

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          Flooding foreign economies with cheap subventioned goods so the domestic can’t compete and go out of business and thus increasing dependency in you.
          Yes, I’d say this is bad.

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            China isn’t forcing anybody to buy their goods at gunpoint last I checked. The fact that western markets are unable to produce comparable goods at the same prices is entirely the problem with the way western economies are structured. The whole premise for loosely regulated markets was that they were supposed to be more efficient than state planning, turns out that was a big fat lie. So now the dumb fucks in the west are crying that their failed economic model can’t compete with China. Tough!

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              It is a pretty bad deal for Western workers that our economies have deindustrialized. But that’s not China’s fault, that’s our ruling classes’ fault.

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                  I would argue that it is in fact bad because it’s a threat to national security and sovereignty. The Europeans are now finding out that they’re unable to produce things domestically that their people need, and have become entirely reliant on US energy exports and military protection.

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                  Yeah, kind of, but under a capitalist system where workers can’t reap the benefits of automation and much labor is still performed in the imperial periphery it is negative.

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            This is just cope, though. China has better industrial capacity, and can produce high quality goods for lower prices because of this. It isn’t because of evil, it’s because China as a socialist economy is surpassing capitalist economies.

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            The goods produced in China are cheap because Western economies made a bet that they’d come out ahead by moving their capital out of their own economies and into China. China won the bet instead of them and now has more productive capacity than the West. Why is it China’s fault that the West had poor foresight and deindustrialized itself in exchange for short term profits? Should Chinese workers have remained poor forever instead of benefiting from Western investments?

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      They are literally genociding part of their population to enforce a unique race

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    How is China exactly threatening Europe? By offering affordable electric cars and cheap solar panels and batteries that EU doesn’t manufacture anyway?

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    I love the memes about how China is threatening Europe so much. The last time China did anything threatening to Europe it was when they had a war to kick the British out of China, and Europe will never forgive them for it

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            Can you enlighten us as to how China is authoritarian in a way that Europe isn’t? Because as far as I can tell, even if literally every single thing China is accused of by anyone is true, this is what their major crimes amount to:

            • Killing 10,000 protesters in Tiananmen Square
            • Imprisoning 1M Uighurs in Xinjiang
            • Sterilizing, abusing, and killing some number of Uighurs in Xinjiang, I’ve never seen numbers accompanying this claim
            • Suppressing Tibetan religious identity
            • Lack of queer rights
            • Not respecting Taiwan’s sovereignty
            • Suppressing political speech that goes against the government
            • General religious persecution of several religious minorities other than those mentioned above; Falun Gong, Christians, other Muslims, etc
            • Aggression toward their neighbors like India and the Philippines
            • Support of Russia during their invasion of Ukraine
            • Support of Myanmar during the Rohingya genocide

            Let me know if I missed any.

            Meanwhile, (mainly Western) Europe definitely has done the following in the past 50 years:

            • Funded and supported Israel’s genocide in Gaza, killing anywhere from 50,000 people per the Health Ministry to 500,000 per Donald Trump
            • Mostly refused to recognize a Palestinian state until quite recently
            • Exploited peripheral European states economically
            • Continued to hold assets belonging to former colonies in the Global South
            • Collaborated with the US to destroy the USSR and strip it for parts, causing one of the largest peace-time drop in life expectancy in history, and unleashing rampant economic and sexual exploitation
            • Allow thousands of immigrants to die in the Mediterranean to prevent them from reaching the continent.
            • Joined the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan
            • Joined NATO actions to destroy the Libyan government, leaving the country in a state of utter chaos and making it one of the only places on earth with open air slave markets
            • NATO actions against Yugoslavia and Serbia (granted, to intervene in a genocide, but in a way that was not done to intervene in the Rwandan genocide; this suggests the intervention was primarily motivated by an extractive, imperialist interest)
            • Islamophobia; Hijab bans, rampant hate speech, racially stratified economies.
            • Backsliding queer rights in some countries, total lack in others.

            I think there’s probably more I could go into, but I think that’s at least enough to make my case. If you want to believe China is authoritarian because you believe every point in the upper half is true, then I won’t stop you. But you’re on some craaaazy wypipo logic if you think the points in the bottom don’t mean that the same label ought to be applied to Europe.

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                Okay, I spent like 10 minutes searching my mind trying to fully understand where you’re coming from and meeting you halfway by listing things I don’t even believe to be true about China. If you can’t engage with people who disagree with you under those circumstances, then what level of engagement did you expect?

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                I met people from China who unlike you understand their government is a proletarian democracy (which is different from a liberal democracy in many ways), you can even meet Chinese people here who’ll tell you that their government is democratic, but it’s not THAT hard to learn about a system you don’t understand by at least watching YouTube if you don’t have the patience or habit of sitting down to read.

                I haven’t been to China because I’m poor and on the other side of the globe, have you been there yourself? There are nice videos by tourists that show that China is just… a country. Very advanced, great infrastructure, but not what you seem to believe it is.

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                  I have been there, to several places. I have friends there. I know Chinese outside of China. They are not hard to find.

                  If you live in a big city, there are Chinese places. Go there and try to talk Chinese politics with anyone there, see what’s the general feeling. Sample that with a random European place and see how more easily you can talk politics with a French or an Italian. Thing is, China sends policemen to check the Chinese abroad behave correctly. Even outside China, they are on their toes.

                  That’s your homework before you try to explain to people online things about a country you never experienced.

                  There are nice videos by tourists that show that China is just… a country. Very advanced, great infrastructure, but not what you seem to believe it is.

                  China is far more advanced than most westerners believe, even though they start updating their views a bit. I also heard Dubai and Tel Aviv are very nice city to live in. Which tells you nothing about the ills of their governments.

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                I’ve interacted with 5 - 7 Chinese users over Lemmy recently ish. Haven’t been, but one of my close friends went to Hong Kong pretty recently and enjoyed their time.

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                  LOL. Worked with Chinese, discussed politics with Chinese (outside of China, for obvious reason to anyone who met any Chinese citizen). Try to get first hand accounts before praising one of the strictest censorship in the world. And learn a bit about the specifics of Hong-Kong, or better, meet activists there if this is your sample of China

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        The republic must be restored

        “We need to bring back the colonial government”

        You guys are not beating the psychotically racist allegations. This is like saying we need to restore the British Raj in India

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        Europe: collaborates in the genocide of Palestinians

        Europeans: “China is so evil and militaristic, look at all those hypothetical things they could hypothetically do to Taiwan!”

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        I want you to google the last time that china and taiwan had a military hostile interaction.

        Please do.

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        Japan hasn’t even given a symbolic apology for their massive list of war crimes against China and all over Asia, Taiwan is part of China under international law, and the nationalist forces you defend were murdering communists while under attack by Japan. You fascist sympathizers…

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        Try to think why these supposed “threats” are such a big deal for an alliance of countries so far away from the region to be affected, and you might stumble upon the real reason why they hate China so much.

        Spoiler alert, it’s because they can no longer take advantage of China like they did when it was under the boot of the British. They hate that it’s a sovereign country that works for its own benefit, and that their footholds in the region are unable to reverse the course of history as they’d like.

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    Since Epstein was very clearly Mossad and the United States politicians are being blackmailed and bribed by Israeli intelligence I kinda feel like this should be included in the enemy lineup. Although Is china really an enemy of Europe?

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          No, it’s a major military operations base which gives it a lot of political power but the master letting go of the leash doesn’t mean they have lost control of their attack dog. They’re just letting them loose, one whistle and they’re brought to heel.

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            Do good dogs usually blackmail their masters with trafficked children? It seems to me that Israel who has universal healthcare, free college, a $400 monthly payment per child until they are 18, unlimited money for weapons and 53 million a year to bribe US politicians is perhaps rogue AF. We have major military bases all over and NOBODY gets the red carpet that the country that just happens to be blackmailing our politicians with trafficked children gets….must be a coincidence https://www.trackaipac.com/congress

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              AIPAC is one of many lobby groups, to say that pissrael controls the US through AIPAC is like saying that the coal industrialists control the US, or the MIC contractors run the US, or the myriad other monied interests influencing politicians through bribery, blackmail whatever.

              None of them “control” the US, all of them together are the US. If, or rather when, the zionist project is no longer profitable the other interests will no longer have room for it and the US will drop it.

              Some have more influence than the others, sure, but I wouldn’t put AIPAC on the same level as Wall Street or Lockheed Martin and Boeing and co. In many regards AIPAC is actually a lobby for those groups since Pissrael is such a profitable project for them.

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              And yet, what can Israel do without the material support of the country that makes its domestic weapons production capabilities possible? What can Israel do without the country that supplies its Iron Dome system? What can Israel do without CENTCOM? Without the power of the US dollar being maintained? Without Europe being greased up to act as one imperialist unit together with the US? Without US control of oil trade? Without US rigging of international institutions?

              Can one meaningfully ever “control” someone that has that much leverage over them?

              You’re flattering yourself if you think the politicians of the US need to be blackmailed to carry out the material interest of the capitalist ruling class. They won’t pay attention to you even if they stop cheating on you with Israel, their main girl is capital.

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                American politicians are treasonous traitors but Jokes on you because Europe is Israel’s bitch too.,

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      i thought i was the only one who noticed the marvel characters and i still don’t fully understand what it means. lol

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        Stupid and ignorant? Well maybe europeans should try to fix that.

        It’s REALLY NOT that hard.

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    Except the EU can’t compete industrially or millitarily with any of those 3. The EU needs to correctly identify who to partner with for its own survival, and it’s clear that the PRC is the best option, Russia being a second choice. The US Empire is dying, and the EU imperialists are either going to fall down with it or be forced into cooperation with those it has convinced itself are existential enemies.

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      Maybe there’d be some hope for that to happen if everyone in the EU hadn’t been conditioned to be racist as fuck against anyone to the east or south for centuries

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      The EU has a much larger GDP and a significantly higher defense budget than Russia (about 457 billion USD vs. 146 billion USD in 2024). While its industry is more fragmented, it can be rapidly scaled up when needed as demonstrated in Ukraine. and the comparison to russia also lacks because the EU doesn’t consider the current situation as active war. However, compared to the US and China, the EU still lags behind their global projections. Although Russia has increased its arms production in recent years, it is suffering from sanctions and material losses in the Ukraine conflict, which limits its military capabilities. Overall, the EU is economically and industrially stronger than Russia, but still trails the US and China in a global comparison. Since there is a noticable shift of power in the world the EU started to focus more on China and India as trading partners and leave the US who traditionally were European allies.

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        The EU has a much larger GDP and a significantly higher defense budget than Russia (about 457 billion USD vs. 146 billion USD in 2024)

        The EU is far more financialized, in terms of gross industrial output the EU is behind the Russian Federation. This is a holdover from their soviet legacy. In terms of real production, Russia succeeds, despite lower GDP, because money stretches much farther in Russia. 1 million USD worth of Russian goods gets you a lot more than 1 million USD in European goods, to make things simple.

        Europe could make up the gap, but it is so dominated by finance capital and energy dependency that this makes it incredibly difficult without adopting socialism.

        Overall, the EU is economically and industrially stronger than Russia

        This is false. The EU is financially stronger than Russia, largely thanks to modern neoimperialism in Africa, but industrially is far behind.

        Since there is a noticable shift of power in the world the EU started to focus more on China and India as trading partners and leave the US who traditionally were European allies.

        Correct, the EU is being demoted from imperial vassal to periphery, and since it would take devastating losses in open conflict with a major power without US backing it has to seek other allies.

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          The Netherlands colonized half the world despite being smaller than Mongolia - Venice was able to stand up to countries like the ottoman empire despite being only a single city.

          Financialization isn’t everything, but it’s not nothing either.

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            Imperialism is characterized by the following:

            -The presence of monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life.

            -The merging of bank capital with industrial capital into finance capital controlled by a financial oligarchy.

            -The export of capital as distinguished from the simple export of commodities.

            -The formation of international monopolist capitalist associations (cartels) and multinational corporations.

            -The domination and exploitation of other countries by militaristic imperialist powers, now through neocolonialism.

            -The territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers.

            The global north, Europe included, uses this export of capital to super-exploit foreign labor for super-profits. It also engages in unequal exchange, where the global south is prevented from moving up the value chain in production, allowing the global north to charge monopoly prices for commodities produced in the same labor hours.

            The point I am making isn’t simply about land conquering, but an ongoing process of shifting surplus value and resources from the imperialized to the core. Finance capital is the primary mechanism by which this functions.

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          Ridiculous Russia have zero people, they’ve lost 2m in manpower. They have a lot of land but in every measure they are less powerful than the EU. They are economically the size of Spain. The EU contains Spain and it’s not even the largest economy. Russian propaganda much?

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            How many times has Russia supposedly been about to collapse? You’d think after the dozenth, people would learn

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              Russia has collapsed a bunch in history. Their conquering isolationist history is a failed strategy.

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                “In history” lol ok, now how many times has the Russian Federation been predicted to collapse in Ukraine, and how many times has it.

                Their

                Who is they? Everyone in Russia? Who are you talking about, you weird nationalist?

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            You’re confusing finances with raw industrial power. An 8 USD big mac in Switzerland isn’t 3 times better than a 2.54 USD big mac in Indonesia.

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        What the EU doesn’t have, at least in the short/medium term, is energy. That industrial base needs (a lot of) energy. Russia was able to supply this cheaply, while the US is charging an arm and a leg. Of course in the long run, renewables can help keep that energy production local, but that means developing closer ties with China. And right now the US is trying to throw up walls to prevent other countries from accessing China’s renewable energy products.

        The EU does indeed have a significantly larger potential industrial base than Russia. But that also requires coordination, intentional action, and long-term planning. So far the EU hasn’t seemed capable of doing these things but who knows, maybe Trump has been the wake-up call Europeans need.

        I also hope Trump has shown Europeans that the US is the bigger threat to European sovereignty than Russia. And this will be true after Trump is gone, it’s not a one-time thing (Biden did things hostile to European sovereignty but that goes under the radar because he was more supportive of Ukraine). But yeah, if the EU makes some coordinated effort to build military defenses, they shouldn’t have a problem protecting their sovereignty against Russia. And that assumes Russia wants to try and military conquer parts of Europe, which I do not believe but even if I did, a more robust, domestic EU military would be enough to prevent an attack even if that was Russia’s intention.

        The US is Europe’s fake friend - with or without Trump - and it frustrates me to no end that Europeans can’t see it.

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          What’s deeply ironic about this situation is that one of the main reasons the EU has remained distant to Russia is the US. Cold war was between US and Russia. More recently US opposed Nord Stream 2. Now US suddenly is friendly to Russia and EU are running around like headless chicken because they made it their own identity to be hostile to Russia. There haven been people suggesting that while indeed Russia is antidemocratic etc. one can still try to carefully cooperate, because it happens to be a neighbor and it makes sense strategically. Who knows, maybe in the process one could positively influence Russia, it doesn’t have to be always the other way. But these people are instantly called Russian assets and demonized. And it’s not like this kind of reasoning was the real issue anyway, as in the meantime you see western democracies happily collaborating e.g. with Turkey or Saudi Arabia. The Ukraine war complicates things though. Aside of the humanitarian and economic tragedy, it’s a diplomatic disaster, as it makes Russia look quite hostile to Europe, whether they actually „want to continue“ beyond Ukraine or not.

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        Vast industrial capacity and tons of oil and natural gas, both of which the EU needs but does not have.

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          Only major industries Russia has are weapons (we sell those, they are a competitor) and fossil fules (we are in the process of not using them)

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            we are in the process of not using them

            not anywhere close to fast nor soon enough to help the situation.

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              I disagree. Renewables have been growing exponentially for years. Its already making an impact in some countries, sadly way less in others.

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                Instead of taking the opportunity to vastly expand renewables and make a green transition Europe is buying LNG from the US for a way higher price than Russia offered. The green transition has been watered down on European level as well (I wouldn’t call it exponential growth)

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            Russia has quite a bit more than just those areas, but importantly, the EU still needs fossil fuels. It could sidestep this by purchasing large amounts of solar from China, or making or buying nuclear reactors, but it can’t do so overnight. Moreover, the EU is heavily financialized, and industry is hurting. Much of what the EU consumes is made overseas, or comes from overseas resource extraction, especially from European neocolonies in Africa. Imperialism is decaying, so this puts the EU in an even tighter spot, hence political instability and a strong rightward shift.

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              making or buying nuclear reactors

              The country that export most of nuclear build capacity, is by far Russia, with over 20 reactors in construction abroad. So while EU countries does have know-how to build them too, i bet it’s nowhere near the required scale (also China builds like 30 reactors, but in China)

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                Definitely, that’s what I was implying with that but I probably should have spelled it out, rather than expecting them to realize nuclear depends likely on Russia.

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              I’m not sure what you are trying to say. Russia has way less industrial output than the EU. Russia is more imperialist than the EU. EU is shifting right, but is still wayyy to the left of Russia. Saying we should align with Russia is like saying we should align with turkey. Or Saudi Arabia.

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                Russia is the 4th largest economy by GDP, adjusted to PPP, and isn’t as heavily reliant on finance capital as the EU is. Moreover, Russia has no colonies nor neocolonies, and doesn’t run their economy based on export of capital and plundering the surplus value of the global south, like the US and EU do.

                Imperialism is characterized by the following:

                -The presence of monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life.

                -The merging of bank capital with industrial capital into finance capital controlled by a financial oligarchy.

                -The export of capital as distinguished from the simple export of commodities.

                -The formation of international monopolist capitalist associations (cartels) and multinational corporations.

                -The domination and exploitation of other countries by militaristic imperialist powers, now through neocolonialism.

                -The territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers.

                The global north, Europe included, uses this export of capital to super-exploit foreign labor for super-profits. It also engages in unequal exchange, where the global south is prevented from moving up the value chain in production, allowing the global north to charge monopoly prices for commodities produced in the same labor hours. Russia does not do this, it has a paltry sum of the world’s finance capital, and this is proven by just how low their nominal GDP is compared to it’s GDP adjusted to PPP.

                The Russian Federation and the EU are both right-wing, but the EU is actively imperialist. The fact that progressive nationalist movements like the Alliance of Sahel States are kicking out European plunderers, and the PRC is presenting as an alternative to western domination, is exactly why conditions within the imperialist west are declining and causing a shift to the far-right. Austerity politics are enforced due to capitalist decay.

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                  I think long term a post-Putin Russia should really just join the EU (along with Ukraine). Russia has always been European. The cold war fuelled by the US is over. There’s no reason to divide Europe ethnographically when with open borders, free trade and unified economic policies everyone can do what they want.

                  The only thing the EU should realize faster is unified wages across regions and some sort of control over private property/housing, else western capitalists will keep buying land and homes creating serfdom.

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                  Russia is part of the global north. Most of Russia’s territory is made up of colonies. You can not be pro Russia and anti imperialist at the same time.

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                Russia is more imperialist than the EU

                Tell that to roughly a quarter of the entire continent of Africa that lived or still lives under French imperial control

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      Europe has a lot of good food, but the tendency is that it’s concentrated towards the south - Italy, France, Greece, etc. The food generally gets worse the further north you get, but every national cuisine usually has at least one good thing. Even Sweden probably has a good dish.