I think people would be surprised how many liberal gun owners are out there (including myself). The difference is we don’t worship guns like the lunatics on the right.
In 1930s germany most people would vote for the facists, people did not turn to facism because they were born evil. That is to say, if you were german and lived through the effects of the end of ww1, you would be facist too
In 1930s germany most people would vote for the facists …
This is a common misconception. Even at the height of their power, the Nazis got only 43% of the votes. They were able to win elections because the other parties were unable to come together and run a joint candidate list. If the Social Democrats and Communists had formed a coalition, they might have won instead.
The NSDAP got 43,9% but since another party, the DNVP which was another right wing party they formed a coalition with, got 8% they had majority. So most people who voted did vote for the fascists.
Fair point, the DNVP was a right-wing party, but I wouldn’t call them fascist. They were dissolved after Hitler won absolute power (although not imprisoned or killed), and some even worked with the German Resistance.
The Italian Liberals of the 20s adopted a “wait and see” approach, leaving the outnumbered socialists, anarchists and communists to fight both the fascists and the loyalists alone. Then when it was clear that the fascists were winning, the Liberals joined them.
I suspect that the 30s Social Democrats of Germany were similarly irresolute (though didn’t join before they were forced to) when dealing with the Nazi threat. Centrists tend to be, whether center-right like the Italian Liberals or center-left like the German Social Democrats.
I suspect that the 30s Social Democrats of Germany were similarly irresolute (though didn’t join before they were forced to) when dealing with the Nazi threat.
The social democrats started the iron front, they fought the SA in the streets, they didn’t join them. Their party was banned and members where thrown in jail once the Nazis won.
I sit corrected, then. Should have known better than to think Social Democrats as useless as liberals in fighting fascists tbh, given what we’re seeing today…
His point is that even if the Germans of 8-9 decades ago were stuck in a bad position such that fascism was their best choice, the people who are leaning into fascist ideals today don’t have that same excuse.
Yes, boomer humor tends to be unfunny when you consider the real fact that the US is one year away from having open genocide of minorities and other “undesirables.”
Having to live armed every day because fascist shitbags are openly trying to kill you tends to suck the fun out of parties.
when did the left agree we had to lie about the right to make them sound bad? That we just had to make up bullshit that obviously is a lie to go after people on the right?
Mate, there are prominent US politicians saying they aim to destroy the issue of trans people, to find a solution to a the trans problem. What do you think that means?
deleted by creator
Plenty of people who go to the shooting range vote D
Hence the inclusion of the word "if ".
I think people would be surprised how many liberal gun owners are out there (including myself). The difference is we don’t worship guns like the lunatics on the right.
Hell yeah. Give me that big phat D.
Sup o/
It’s IMPOSSIBLE to like guns and be a DEMONcrat. God gave me a gun, a full case of beer and a straight republican ticket!!!
In 1930s germany most people would vote for the facists, people did not turn to facism because they were born evil. That is to say, if you were german and lived through the effects of the end of ww1, you would be facist too
This is a common misconception. Even at the height of their power, the Nazis got only 43% of the votes. They were able to win elections because the other parties were unable to come together and run a joint candidate list. If the Social Democrats and Communists had formed a coalition, they might have won instead.
The NSDAP got 43,9% but since another party, the DNVP which was another right wing party they formed a coalition with, got 8% they had majority. So most people who voted did vote for the fascists.
Fair point, the DNVP was a right-wing party, but I wouldn’t call them fascist. They were dissolved after Hitler won absolute power (although not imprisoned or killed), and some even worked with the German Resistance.
The Italian Liberals of the 20s adopted a “wait and see” approach, leaving the outnumbered socialists, anarchists and communists to fight both the fascists and the loyalists alone. Then when it was clear that the fascists were winning, the Liberals joined them.
I suspect that the 30s Social Democrats of Germany were similarly irresolute (though didn’t join before they were forced to) when dealing with the Nazi threat. Centrists tend to be, whether center-right like the Italian Liberals or center-left like the German Social Democrats.
The social democrats started the iron front, they fought the SA in the streets, they didn’t join them. Their party was banned and members where thrown in jail once the Nazis won.
I sit corrected, then. Should have known better than to think Social Democrats as useless as liberals in fighting fascists tbh, given what we’re seeing today…
deleted by creator
If you went through what they have, you would vote for trump. Their environment made them who they are.
deleted by creator
So what’s the excuse for the people who had what is probably the cushiest life in all of human history?
1930s germany was not cushy
His point is that even if the Germans of 8-9 decades ago were stuck in a bad position such that fascism was their best choice, the people who are leaning into fascist ideals today don’t have that same excuse.
Its not an excuse, but you also cant say that people voting right nowadays were born evil either. Its for a reason.
So what you’re saying is - it’s their choice. That seems worse, no?
Its not their choice. They had it worse than the 1930s germans did
deleted by creator
Alter, willst du mich verarschen? Das kannst du nicht ernsthaft glauben? The fucking Boomers had it worse than the Germans in 1930?
deleted by creator
You must be fun at parties.
Yes, boomer humor tends to be unfunny when you consider the real fact that the US is one year away from having open genocide of minorities and other “undesirables.”
Having to live armed every day because fascist shitbags are openly trying to kill you tends to suck the fun out of parties.
Ok.
when did the left agree we had to lie about the right to make them sound bad? That we just had to make up bullshit that obviously is a lie to go after people on the right?
Mate, there are prominent US politicians saying they aim to destroy the issue of trans people, to find a solution to a the trans problem. What do you think that means?
Where’s the lie?
They’re right, though.