The mods at memes@lemmy.ml didn’t appreciate this post being popular and deleted it.
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I posted a meme about how modern US cars/trucks are too big and send all your data to China.
Banned for a week, citing rule 1 - No bigotryI just got a ban as well, they didn’t like me saying I assume anyone bleating about communism online hasn’t been through puberty yet.
Lemmy.ml deleted my comments that were correcting disinformation but left the intentional lie. No explanation or notice given. Happy to explain more if anyone is actually interested.
When I called them out the called me racist for saying “CCP” and deleted my comments. They also deleted other people’s comments in the thread.
Lemmy.ml is hot fucking garbage.
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The fact that there’s no warning is ridiculous. Mods get buthurt way too quick. And the rules are vague enough so that it’s up to the discretion of the mods.
So you made the same joke they make about libertarians and got banned? That’s kind of amusing.
They’re a bit sensitive.
Yea, I was banned for rule 2 for saying hexbear and lemmygrad ban you for disagreeing in reply to someone saying lemmy.world wants an ecochamber.
Also a comment got removed where I said that both hamas and Israel are bad for killing civilians. Apparently that violated rule 1 of no bigotry.
Some sussy stuff is going on in their mod team for sure.
Honestly can we stop using their instance for memes? Why are we coalescing in a place where you can’t criticize the place itself?
Here we go again!
Thank you for your service.
I can still see the ml one but if it’s here…
I don’t understand, is this supposed to say that grad is nazis? They’re very explicit about not allowing nazis and adjacent stuff.
To be honest we don’t have a real name for them. They say they support the tenets of national socialism, deride capitalism, engage in liberalism, and hate the working class.
Call them what you will. Nazi, neo-nazi, neo-neo-nazi, neo-bolshevik, I don’t know. In any case it’s all different flavours of fascism.
“Tankies” that’s the word for Nazis with a Russian coat of paint.
Edit: Lmao the downvotes. I just gave an objective description of the term OP is looking for. I’m a hardcore socialist myself and if you feel like the term “Tankie” is insulting you, then MAYBE you have an issue.
I hesitate to call them tankies because they don’t follow the same ideals. These people deride ‘the libs’ but engage in liberalism, calling themselves lgbtq friendly, then they call themselves communist but engage in materialism, they call themselves socialist but agree with authoritarianism.
I don’t know what to call them besides fascist, but fascist is so non-specific when dealing with these groups that it doesn’t help for identification. We actually need a new name for this group of fascists.
Tankies don’t have ideals, they’re just red fascists. It’s all an aesthetic.
Fascists gonna fasc.
Tankie originally meant people who supported the Soviet Union’s military action in Hungary and Czechoslovakia in the 50s and 60s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
They’re CCP or maybe Kremlin operatives organizing shills, LLMs, and useful idiots to spread propaganda.
That’s why it’s hard to say what they are. They aren’t actually socialists, they’re happy to support both extremes in order to increase division in their group opponents.
Won’t see any disagreement there, but those useful idiots still cling to the ideology.
Ignorance and cognitive dissonance, name a more iconic duo.
I’ve never seen a grad say they support the tenets of national socialism or that they hate the working class. Can you show me?
No, they’ve been defederated.
Based
yall must have strong defederation if you can’t even go to the grad website and see their posts.
Lemmy.world’s admin just came to my house and blocked lemmygrad on my router.
Muttered something about how this is gonna be a long day.Based admins, I’ll leave my door open
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surely you take the accusation of nazism seriously enough to go to a website you don’t like to show proof!
do you expect me to take you at your word that the people who explicitly forbid nazis and a bunch of other right wing kooks and have a modlog filled with bans and post and comment removals for violating those rules are nazis?
Surely you are capable of shedding your own ignorance without being handheld. You know where to find what you’re looking for, library’s open.
Also because they don’t.
I am not a fan of lemmygrad or hexbear but they certainly do not advocate for national socialism.
I’ve had enough bouts with them. They don’t believe people can be racist against white people, so any slurs or derogatory insults are totally okay. They also hate social Democrats - call them colonialists. That they want all the benefits of socialism without having to give up any of their illgotten gains.
Soooo, they just expect people to fully make the jump over to pure socialism/communism, no expectations of gradual change, and think hating on whitey is totes cool.
Their most vocal are essentially hindering the growth the greater collective with this bullshit, and if they ever want to see change in their lifetimes, then need to be realistic about it.
average .ml behavior lol
I have the time. I mean, it’s gotta be a pretty short conversation because there are no benefits.
I mean, there are if you’re „arian“, not disabled or otherwise made a target and don’t get snitched on by your neighbors.
In that case you can live like a „free“ person while people around you „disappear“ which would not freak you out at all. (/s)
You are not actually free though because if you openly criticize anything, you disappear as well.
I suppose the common theme is „murderous authoritarianism“.
The mods on lemmy.ml are a bunch of sensitive bitches. I once made a meme criticizing the lack of concrete rules… It got deleted
Can someone tell me what specifically got Lemmygrad.ml defederated? Was there a particular post or community or a pattern of behavior?
Pattern of behaviour that the Lemmygrad.ml mods both allowed and participated in. Many of the Lemmygrad communities had already been defederated before this point due to moderation issues.
Not to be “that guy” but lemmygrad is not about national socialism. They are but jobs that will do Olympic level mental gymnastics routines to defend anything and everything Russia or China does, but that doesn’t make then Nazis, “just” on the same moral level as Nazis.
Good post
Appreciated.
I filter that whole server. It’s a ridiculous amount of propaganda.
Users need the power to block servers.
Users also need the ability to block replies on specific comments/posts. Say anything that goes against their group think and you’ll get a ton of replies
national socialismauthoritarian communismFIFY
They’re don’t believe in socialism, they believe in authoritarianism. Therefore, they will defend any ancillary ethos.
Response from Lemmy.world “Do you have a second to remove my boot from your ass?"
You’re not one of those delusional right wing fucks who think Hitler was a leftist because Nazi had the word socialist in it are you?
No, I’m one of those very cognizant democratic socialists who knows the difference between a tankie and neo-nazis playing dress up as leftists.
Funny thing about real socialists and communists, they hate authoritarianism too.
Hexbear/Lemmygrad are extreme and authoritarian, but that does not a Nazi make.
Just call them tankies, no need to dilute the waters with Nazi co-opting of left wing concepts. All that does is associate socialism and nazism, something no real leftist would do.
The term you’re looking for is neo-nazi. It stands for neo-liberal national socialist. They believe in liberalism, and socialism, but only under the yoke of authoritarianism.
It doesn’t stand for anything. It’s just “Neo-Nazism” and the “neo” means “new,” and just distinguishes them as post-WW2 nazis. Neo-nazis do not believe in liberalism or socialism.
The new neo-nazi’s do.
Neo-Neo-Nazis?
Sort of?
Closer to Neo-Bolsheviks? Maybe? This is the problem, no name for them yet. So I’ve been sticking to Nazi and neo-nazi.
Neoliberalism is not Nazism?
Neoliberalism is a rightwing reimagining of the already rightwing Liberalism. Its primary concerns are how to reduce social benefits, fuck over citizens, and further enrich the rich.
The fuck has your education system let you down mate?
The fuck has your education system let you down mate?
Has yours? National socialists only care about how they can use socialism to benefit themselves through the lens of liberalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
Nazis don’t use any fucking socialism.
The links say otherwise.
They constantly criticize “libs”, though, by which they mean classical or neo-liberalism.
And yet say they are lgbtq friendly, and consider themselves materialists.
I’ve found that self-identified leftists oppose the identity politics characteristic of US style liberalism. Some say this is because divisions in society such as gender, orientation and race, are used to distract from class and economic issues. Theoretically communism is egalitarian in terms of race and gender. They seem to hate the US politicians who advocate for race/gender/orientation equality and workers rights though, while rarely criticizing the fascist wing, so it doesn’t all make much sense to me.
If self awareness was a disease they’d be the healthiest people alive.
You really have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’m talking about the people were dealing with, not your inflexible understanding of pre-existing fascist idealisms.
Sounds like general nonsense to me.
Books can fix that.
Curious to know your thoughts on the Communist Party of India (Maoist).
Unfortunately, I don’t have any experience with their specific ideology. I’d have to do some research.
I did some cursory research and would summarise my findings as such:
The CPI supports the idea of socializing key industries and natural resources to ensure that they are controlled by the state and used for the benefit of all citizens. They believe in the redistribution of wealth and the elimination of private property, as well as the establishment of a classless society where everyone is equal. The CPI also advocates for democratic rights and freedoms, including freedom of speech, assembly, and press. Overall, their ideology is centered around creating a more equitable and just society through socialism and communal ownership.
Based on this understanding of their ideals I’d be very much in support of their plight, unfortunately it seems they were removed from the National Party roster earlier this year due to a lack of local support. I can’t speak to the complexities of these situations or any local issues the party faced.
Idk if you read the correct party’s history. The CPI(Maoist) has been banned from entering the Electoral Process since its creation as well as its predecessor parties since the 1970s and declared as a ‘Terrorist’ Organization. It is the only Communist Party in India engaged in a People’s War against the Fascist Hindutva Brahmanical Regime. The only party which is struggling for the rights of the Oppressed in India. They do advocate for the things you described.
Your inability to understand this situation explains why you’re so angry about nonsense and unable to identify the politics of this meme.
No Lemmygrad is unironically populated by Nazis
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