As some subreddits continue blackouts to protest Reddit’s plans to charge high prices for its API, Reddit has informed the moderators of those subreddits that it has plans to replace resistant moderation teams to keep spaces “open and accessible to users.”
Edit, there seems to be conflicting reporting on this issue:
While the company does “respect the community’s right to protest” and pledges that it won’t force communities to reopen, Reddit also suggests there’s no need for that.
Source: https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23762501/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-interview-protests-blackout
Everyone needs to realise it doesnt matter. Enough people already came to lemmy for us to carry on without reddit. Now we just do the normal long haul work - help users who need help so people start searching lemmy for tech solutions, post our normal content here so there is a reason to stay, upvote and comment others work so there is engagement. The rest will follow as this grows and grows. We have already won. Lemmy is no longer a fringe interest.
I feel the same way. Critical mass has already been reached
help users who need help so people start searching lemmy for tech solutions
For a moment, I misread this as “tech positions” and got excited about a job board on here.
Community idea: we develop a fake company that we all “work” at so that we can vouch for each other and use our “experience” on our resumes.
Lemmings re-discover ancient multibillion dollar corporate CEO secret strategies
Or just list it as volunteer work…
Yeah I agree that enough attention has been placed on Lemmy for it to pop in Redditors heads when they start thinking of other sites to go to. It won’t happen overnight but that’ll also give the Lemmy devs time to apply some fixes and add new features.
Im not here to hunger strike from reddit until i get hungry. Im willing to hunger strike till i die. Fortunatly lemmy seems to be a source of nourishment but ive made my decision.
Agreed, I have moved on. Lemmy is at the place now that it feels more like what the Internet should be. It feels more personal and tight knit. By the end with reddit, I felt so much like a tiny fish in a gigantic pond that it felt completely pointless to comment on anything.
Good luck with that! I’m excited to see the fireworks as their brand-new mod teams use their brand-new mod tools right as they go public. Should be quite a show.
And on top of that when the new mods find out it’s just like a regular job but without pay tons will bail out.
btw: thank you mods, honestly, after doing it for a small time I think you are saints.
I think what will happen is that a lot of the subs are eventually going to end up in the hands of the few mods who love sucking up to the admins and the mods who are in it for the dopamine they gain power-tripping instead of the mods who are in it to make the subreddit the best version of itself.
This will only further the “5 Mods Control 92 Of The Top 500 Subs” issue and lead to overall less happy, less engaged users.
undefined> This will only further the “5 Mods Control 92 Of The Top 500 Subs” issue and lead to overall less happy, less engaged users.
With that many subs, they couldn’t be good mods even if they wanted to. It is truly only a power trip and badge collecting at that point.
It’s like bragging that they’re the CEO of 3 companies…ok so you’re doing a terrible job managing 3 companies instead of trying to do good at 1.
And on top of that when those “tools” don’t materialize and they’re more overworked than previous mods having to manually squash bots and alt right trolls, even more will bail.
I was a mod on a big sub for awhile many years ago and it was a literal horrowshow every day. It was an endless torrent that never stopped, the mod team basically ran 24/7. It was guaranteed you would see at least some fucked up bigotry every time you looked in the queue because the sub was a regular target for those people. It was really just a nonstop firehose of all the worst the internet has to offer, one reported Reddit comment at a time, forever. The tools I had access to were janky browser plugins and things like that, stuff previous mods had built themselves years before because the actual Reddit tools were inadequate. The sub involved so much moderation the team was very organized and you had to put in a certain amount of work every month, it really was like a part time job where you get to set your own hours but can be “fired” for slacking. You often feel emotionally drained afterwards just like a real job, and you start feeling anxious when you “clock in” because fuck not this same miserable bullshit yet again, just like a real job. I have so much respect for quality moderation, it is not at all easy in any way.
With all the time and effort mods like yourself put into looking after subs, does Reddit not have at the very least a way of publicly rewarding moderators that do some much work keeping subs running? I know fellow Redditors can hand out ‘rewards’ but something directly from Reddit would show the community how much mods are appreciated and required.
Not that I’m aware of, but this was many years ago now so things could be different. I personally wouldn’t have wanted any kind of public reward because that can paint a target, you get direct messages from problem users and other issues that come with recognition. I never publicly mentioned being a mod anywhere on Reddit, it was one of the things the mod team warned new mods about because trolls and other problem users will start targeting you directly.
That’s a very good and fair point.
And I bet spammers will target the subreddits where mods have been removed.
or the people who now see an opportunity to take over a sub and power-trip
there is no good outcome for reddit with this situation
There are enough power hungry people ready to jump in the first opportunity they get to moderate
Sure, but let’s keep in mind eagerness does not equal competence.
Funny how he repeatedly uses phrases such as “the extent that they were profiting off of our API” but has never used the phrase “the extent that we rely on freely provided content and freely provided moderation. If it weren’t for the tens of millions of people who are giving us free stuff we wouldn’t even exist.”
I have yet to profit a single dime off of Reddit. After over ten years (11th Cake Day is coming up), and nothing to show for it but piles of worthless Karma.
but if you sell your account you can get hundred of dollars! That’s upwards of $9 a year of pure profit.
Hmmm, assimilate my account into the faceless horde collective of disinformation drones for a cup of coffee… Hard choice
I’m deleting all my free content off reddit. It’s not particularly exciting content, but I have answered a few questions people probably ask on Google (recipes, cleaning tips, etc) that will now be gone. Just gotta back up my most important stuff first
I nuked the past several years of gif making from my account. Felt like slicing out a troublesome family member and it still weirdly hurts to have done that.
It’s like cutting out a toxic family member when you still care about their kids.
He was referring to app developers who charged for license or for premium features. Those people “profited” or at least, took in revenue.
Simply replacing all the mods sound like a good way to kill a subreddit, Reddit probably has no way to pick good mods… Mods will need some connection with the topic, and you don’t want to pick random users with no experience for large subreddits.
get ready for sudden and radical rule changes, non enforcement of rules, nsfw, bots, spam, all kinds of fun crazy shit in the subs with mods removed. I’m sure a percentage of subs would stay the same, but I don’t think that percentage is very high.
I can already hear the CPA/affiliate marketing bots spinning up lol.
Don’t forget there are literally Nazis being employed as Mods
Finally! Godwin’s law!
I can’t believe the amount of people I see that are supporting Reddits decision not only with the API pricing and changes, but in removing mods like this.
The whole reason for the blackouts is a protest against Reddit and their new policy. Now they’re threatening to come in and remove mods with their own appointed ones to force subs to open? And they’re for this?
I…just…wow.
It’s not that they’re for this specifically… It’s that they are self centered. They’re the same 75% of the population that is willing to cross the picket line at Starbucks cuz they want their coffee. They don’t think about the workers rights, they only care about coffee.
The same people just want memes and football and porn. They don’t care about what’s behind the scenes unless it directly impacts them. And let’s be honest, the reddit changes (for now) impact like 10% of reddits user base. That’s not enough for them to give up some dumb memes for
I doubt anyone is actually surprised by this. reddit owns the site, and (according to their TOS) they have rights to everything posted on their site (while they at the same time take zero responsibility for anything posted). I’m only surprised it’s not happened sooner.
I’m also not surprised that this came about from someone that wants to take over one of the privated subs. Most likely to stroke their own egos.
I guess the problem is that they rely on moderators to do the work for free out of their love for their community. Every time the reddit admins pull shit like this, they are giving moderators a reason not to trust them.
So if i make a reddit sub, they can kick me from it whenever they want? How has this not been adressed so far?
It feels right to be reading this from the comfort of Lemmy.
Hey everyone we’re trying to keep the reddit threads centralized in technology in beehaw. I’m not locking this one because.theres a lot of discussion, but consider moving the chat over to https://beehaw.org/post/576904
I can’t say I’m shocked, but I am disappointed. But at the same time - Lemmy/Kbin is the answer. This is the way.
The changes are coming at a good enough clip that it feels like it’s worth taking a stand here. Even if things don’t feel like reddit yet, we’re getting there. Enough people leave and they’ll have a pool of content consumers and no creators and that’s a fast ticket to a quick death.
Can’t wait to watch the most entertaining stage of enshittification…
I’m treating the blackout like a strike, and I don’t cross picket lines, and neither should anyone else. No scabs. No one should be agreeing to moderate a sub that has lost all of its moderators to forcible removal.
I agree, but at the same time, the people who are willing to cross the picket lines are facists. They are desperate to take over any spaces they’re able to and turn those places into hellholes. A bunch of subs are about to be destroyed by right wing nutjobs forcing their way into the top slots. A former T_D mod has already set his sights on aww, which would be the death of a wholesome sub like that.
Well the more fucked it gets, the quicker it burns. After what they’ve done I’ll be glad to see it go. Spez poured the accelerant, he struck the matches and tossed them around. All the while being pled with and warned at the same time, that what he was doing was wrong. Burn, baby, burn.
Except there are inevitably power mods who would happily nump at the opportunity to claim a few more subs for their fiefdoms
Let em have it. Then they can be kings of shit.
And you could have it all / My empire of dirt
There is no shortage of power-hungry mods willing to work for free.
This is literally a copy and paste from another article with Huffman posted TODAY:
While the company does “respect the community’s right to protest” and pledges that it won’t force communities to reopen, Reddit also suggests there’s no need for that.
Source: https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23762501/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-interview-protests-blackout
He said just a few months back that the API wasn’t changing anytime soon. Words are kinda worthless
Yeah, I literally just saw that in my feed and was about to edit the post. I don’t know what’s up with the conflicting reporting. I guess just typical MacRumors. 🙄
Sorry, everyone.
No, I’m not saying you or MacRumors are wrong. I’m saying Spez is being Spez, lying directly to the public’s faces while doing exactly what he says he’s not doing.
Don’t be sorry! That MacRumors article is based on this admin comment on reddit, it’s reddit contradicting itself.
These definitely sound like the actions of a company that is in no way threatened at all not even a little bit.
/s
OK, third time trying to post this comment after my previous two never went through 🥲
I’ve seen a lot of people predict that this would be their next move if the blackouts continued. It’s sad to see them actually begin with the threats though :/
I’m wondering if this is a sort of desperation move because of advertisers looking at removing spending from reddit if things continue - starting to put the screws on the mods. :( Particularly since they say advertisers would start thinking about moving away if things stayed dark for a couple of weeks.
I don’t know, I’m heading to bed, rewritten this three times and I’m not a good speaker, so apologies for it not being very coherent! 😅
Anyway, still many shames on reddit. I hope the blackouts continue so that advertisers leave. Booooo reddit booooo.
So much for no impact on revenue. Lol
They can’t keep their story straight. First the protest is “noise” that will “blow over”. Now they’re forcing subs to re-open.
Look, even if the protest “fails”, they stick to the API pricing, and forcefully re-open subs, some things will be obvious and for everyone to see that weren’t before:
- spez is lying and isn’t trustworthy
- reddit cares more about IPO positioning and money than the health of the community
- people are willing to explore alternatives like this fediverse
Also “97% of users doesn’t use a 3rd party app” but also “the opportunity cost” is very high. Which one is it?
They’re probably just upset that /all is a graveyard of “Reddit is killing third party apps”. That’s gotta look embarrassing for them
I’m pretty happy with how many subreddits are continuing to go dark, or the ones who are actively helping their users transition to other platforms.
It reminds me of the scene in “The Quiet Place” where the surrounding farms go dark one by one…
I’m glad that smart people not participating in the ongoing protest are using Reddit wisely, to shame Reddit.
Yeah - obviously Reddit isn’t going to go down in a fiery blaze, wiped from the internet, but it’s entering a long, slow, spiral, imo, after having made a series of terrible decisions and bad PR moves that are likely significantly reducing its value as a company and casting doubt on its longevity as the power house its historically been. As far as I’m concerned, the protests were a success because it’s forced Reddit to show its hand in a very public way (after all MSM picked up the story).
Spez also completely contradicts what the macrumors link is referring to: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/reddit-says-it-won-t-overrule-mods-and-force-subreddits-back-open/ar-AA1cBvUP
He’s like the dictator with the secret police who “disappear” people but who outwardly makes grand statements about protecting democracy and protest. Bad vibes all around.
Me trying to figure out which Spez to trust:
Bit of a Ministry of Truth vibe right there.
To investors it also portrays utter ineptitude and an open hostility to the adminsitration of the site by a large portion of the users, and that Reddit is utterly reliant on said users to generate its value. Lord knows I wouldn’t dare want to take any stock in this company, social media in general makes little profit and Spez has admitted, before a fucking IPO, that Reddit is not profitable. What fool would buy stock in this?
I dare to say any speculation about new Reddit stock will be to short the shit out of it.
Their handling of this situation has been piss poor. It feels like every step along the way, from the initial announcement about API pricing to his awful Reddit AMA where he replied 12 times and then fled, it’s been a terrible look.
I’m hoping more people see alternates like kbin and give them a go.
yes and only responded to questions that vaguely related to the prepared answers they had. It was more a press briefing than an AMA.
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