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    If he is a communist, few is doing a shit job at it. China’s wealth disparity is on par with the US.

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        It has not and there is still massive wealth disparity.

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          That has improved and continues to improve over the last several decades, and the wealth disparity is a whole order of magnitude less than the U.S.

          Billionaires in China are rich in name only. The only things they can get with money are a slightly fancier car and house, they aren’t able to buy elections.

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            The wealth disparity has been roughly the same for the last 20 years…

            China is an authoritarian one party state. There are not really elections to buy. And you would be daft to think a Chinese billionaire can only buy a slightly better house.

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              There are not really elections to buy.

              China has elections. The idea that multiple parties is what democracy is is a myth. In fact usually its the opposite. Most neoliberal democracies are essentially one party states with the illusion of ideological disagreement. The United States is probably the worst in this way. They two parties in America differ on a few wedge issues the capitalist class will allow them to differ on (ones that matter a lot to the people they effect to the point that a lot of people get very invested, understandably so), but unite on foreign policy and most aspects of capitalist hegemony. Because thats the thing, in America (and the rest of the liberal democracies) the capitalist class are the ones in control and they use money to buy election (once again, America is probably the worst in this sense, but its not THAT Much better in the rest of the first world). In China the rich might have money, but they can’t buy the politicians. They have no influence on policy.

              And I say all that as someone who essentially agrees with you that its bad that China has billionaires.

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              Not true.

              Author-onion-tar-elon-izuhm is a buzz phrase. All politics is authoritarian.

              Calling China a authoritarian one-party state is a non-insult. Its like calling a scientist intelligent and rational.

              China allows multiple parties and factions. The difference is that only socialism is allowed as the baseline.

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          China has billionairs because they have to. If they didn’t let them exist the US wouldn’t have done business with them and the people would still be living in the dirt instead of having high speed rail access. That is assuming the US wouldn’t have done a color revolution you know.

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            This is a fascinating thing about this particular position. If China has billionaires, they are a failure of socialism. On the other hand, if they stuck to a hardline stance and were a poor and struggling nation, they would also be a failure of socialism. No matter what they do, the data can be manipulated to make them look bad.

            I wonder if someone ever gave any lectures on this subject? Preferably someone of a very yellow complexion.

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            They absolutely do not have to. Cuba has very little trade with the US but has similar GDP per capita to China.

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              China is the next hegemon. They are succeeding where others failed. Yet we, here on on God’s own internet, know better than them?

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                China is going to lose several hundred million people in the next few decades and be stuck with a large over investment in infrastructure. There is a great example of that happening in the US: Detroit.

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                  No, China can’t over invest in infrastructure. Infrastructure isn’t an investment to them. It is a communist party. Look at high-speed rail. They lose a bit of money on it every year. However they don’t plan to cut services. The government is willing to spend money to take care of it’s people. Imagine if our government used some of our infinite defense budget to take care of us. It’s be like that.

                  As to population decline. They had a one child policy before. If it happens, they know how to handle that kinda thing.

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          China’s GDP per capita is literally 1/5 of America’s

          Yet China and America has the same life expectancy

          China’s metropolitan cities are undoubtedly much better than America’s to live in

          Even the people living in rural areas have better access to healthcare than America’s

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            That second statement is true. The last two not so much. The HDI would probably be the best measurement and the US is much higher on that scale even with its garbage life expectancy.

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              HDI includes life expectancy (same), education (China slightly higher) and gross national income per capita

              Having a higher level of income doesn’t mean your quality of life is higher, especially since the cost of living in America is also higher

              Thus dollar for dollar, the quality of life that China delivers is far higher than what America offers

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              That second statement is true. The last two not so much

              What the Marx are you talking about? Compare cities, like Chongqing, to NYC, and you can easily see how much superior Chinese cities are to US cities. For instance, public transportation, such as electric driver-less buses, taxis and high speed rail far surpasses anything the US can muster.