I’m not sure the cartels are that concerned with PR.

Only in the ways it’s been implemented at the state level so far. Which, admittedly, may be the only way it can.

I’m fine with stealing as long as you use crosspost rather than posting it again as a new post.

I upvote the first and downvote all subsequent ones.

When you really kinda like the Lemmy fediverse thing, but people post their memes to multiple communities without using crospost so you keep seeing the same thing over and over.

That’s pretty big recourse though.

I’ve been most of these, but mostly chaotic good.

Also auto updating block lists and topic filter lists powered by crowdsourced tagging are very important features these day.

And customized feeds are nice for when you want to add an algorithm (or many different ones) rather than just the usual default list of all skeets sorted in order with no algorithm behind it.

If you can’t see it with your own two eyes, I don’t think any explaining on my part will help. Obviously all countries pollute, but some more than others.

Now show us per capita

This is the problem with the term socialism. It’s very often applied to social democracy, so it’s not an exact term any more. For what you are discussing (seizing the means of production, central distribution of resources and jobs), I prefer the term communism.

But none of that matters much. What matters is that the Scandinavian model of social democracy has been far more successful where applied than communism ever was. Communism has only ever been fully implemented on the back of brutal authoritarianism, and that’s because it’s in fundamental conflict with human nature.

And as much as I would love for human nature and social dynamics of large groups to be different, we have to deal with the animal we have rather than the one we want.

In that case why do we have so many good examples of regulation in capitalist systems, the most effective being the “Scandinavian model” countries which effectively blended large amounts of socialism into a capitalist system and enjoy the best health and happiness rates in the world?

Indeed there is no such thing as an unregulated capitalist economy anywhere in the world. They all have staggering amounts of regulation.

I agree on your points as well. We are so limited by human nature and lack of consensus that I don’t think we can escape these problems without something extreme like genetically modifying the whole population of the world.

It’s been very nice discussing politics with you. Such civil political conversations are rare and noteworthy.

It’s a good point. One that is true to some extent for communism as well. If we were operating in a system that was less efficient as extracting resources and using them for production, we would conceivably get more out of the resources we have and avoid the pointless cycles you point out.

Unfortunately in practice it didn’t work that well because the resources under communism were just used less efficiently and in a more polluting way which negated a lot of the gains. The net result was just less benefit getting to the end user. Though you could argue that people were freed from the capitalist treadmill of overwork to feed largely meaningless consumption that you mention. They just had to pay in quality of life, occasional hunger and genocides, and personal freedoms.

The other issue is that if one country is operating inefficiently and there is another country operating efficiently, inevitably the other country will overtake the first, as we saw in the Cold War. So such a system would need to be enforced pretty strictly on a worldwide level least it get beaten by a system more streamlined for production and militaristic endeavors.

For anarchy, enforcement isn’t strong enough to not get taken over by another system (or at least the requirement for personal buy in of all in the system is too high to be practical)

I’m definitely on board on the small scale. Unfortunately when faced with issues like health care, education, global warming, and curbing the excesses of capitalism, only a government can solve those issues. At least it’s the only mechanism we’ve found so far.

But yes, government should always be the tool of last resort for things that can be done no other way.

Fight the Power by Public Enemy

Or

Justice by Ziggy Marley

No, I’m more of a social democrat. I’m a believer that the best we’ve come up with is to have a government who’s job is to fill in the holes (economic externalities) of capitalism, while curbing it’s worst instincts (monopolies, tragedy of the commons issues like global warming).

Indeed this is the system the most successful and happy countries use. Go too far to the capitalist side or too far to the socialist side and things deteriorate quickly, as history shows over and over.

Right now, especially in the USA, we are experiencing what happens when things go too far to the capitalist side.

Unfortunately it seems that this combined with misinformation leads to fascism which will destroy even capitalism and likely leave us only with war and authoritarianism. Which is what you get at both extremes of the political spectrum.

When it comes to personal liberties, I am more of a libertarian though. I am against the war on drugs or most wars, proxy or otherwise, unless they are in defense. The non aggression principle in libertarianism is something that appeals to me.

How about you? Full blown socialist I’m guessing?

Kerala: As you mention, not a country. Also didn’t really seize the means of production. But when I think of Communism working well, it’s at a local level like this rather than at the level of a country. There are communes and kibbutzes that lasted decades. Generally a tough life but at a small level you can have a government controlling everything without hopefully making as many huge mistakes. Worst case you can more easily just leave if they do (hopefully they let you).

Chile: Also didn’t fully seize the means of production, it’s more or less a perfect example of a government that’s run by a socialist majority for a small amout of time and which enacts socialist measures during that time, but never reaching full communism. This is the kind of thing I would hold up as the ideal case. Socialism for long enough to strengthen the situation of the people, but not long enough to wreck the economy and grow into full blown authoritarianism.

Nepal: Installed by force in the armed uprising against Rana rule in 1951

India: Never seized the means of production (or really got very powerful IMO)

San Marino: Attemped a coup and never seized the means of production.

Mine isn’t any slower than the AppleTV I used before. No issues there either. My only wishes would be for it to have parental controls and let me change the screensaver.