My son saw the pan sitting in the kitchen and asked we had bought a new one. It does look very nice. Thanks for the advice.

My pan is already in the oven on self clean, but I appreciate your advice. I do think the black crud is some sort of buildup as I could feel it with my fingertips. It’s the more silver part that I think is a complete lack of seasoning.

But I don’t really know!

I’ll give it a try and post the results!

I didn’t know how to reseason, but running it through the self clean seems like a pretty easy method! Thanks.

Edit: I’ve lost the thread a little as this started about laptops not mobile phones. I’m leaving this comment here as the points may be valid even for laptops, but I’m too bored to do any more research. Thanks for the great and civil discussion.

I would agree that a theoretically completely upgradeable and repairable device is better, but I think the real world implementations generally aren’t that good.

It’s hard to get to statista’s summary of lifespan of phones without a subscription, but many summaries that use their data say something like:

In general, the average lifespan of a smartphone is 2 to 4 years. According to reports, the iPhone lasts 4-10 years, followed by Samsung units, which can last 3-6 years. Huawei and Xiaomi units have an average lifespan of 2-4 years, while OPPO units have 2-3 years.

Perhaps there is better data out there that would change my mind, but I haven’t seen it. If Apple products are iWaste, then it appears nearly all other products are even more wasteful. All the data I have seen points to Apple products as generally having a long lifespan followed by an excellent free recycling policy (https://www.apple.com/me/recycling/).

If you are saying the “iWaste” comment is about repairability not reliability, I get that. My take is maybe that if something has a long lifespan despite not being repairable, it might be have a longer life before becoming waste or recyclables.

I do like that the EU is mandating user replaceable batteries and other changes and support most right-to-repair legislation.

I tried to find a good study of laptop lifespan by brand. The best thing I could find was a consumer reports survey from 2023.

https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics-computers/laptops-chromebooks/laptopreliability-a7029273631/

They rated Apple as the #1 laptop for reliability. I don’t think that is “iWaste.”

This lines up with what I’ve seen, but even as a career IT person my personal sample size ain’t that great.

I dislike that current Apple products aren’t very repairable, but appreciate that they are very recyclable and durable.

I didn’t love them forever ago, but I rather like their new single “The Emptiness Machine”. I don’t follow music so I didn’t know they had lost their lead singer until yesterday. I heard the song and thought, “Linkin Park doesn’t have a woman for a lead singer….”

This is a very nice piece that had so much information I did not know. Toward the top of the article I was wishing for footnotes, references or something that would indicate it was not just your opinion, but as I got further into the piece you provided so many great references. I thought the calculator manuals were particularly accessible and convincing. Thanks for a great read!

The city I live in has two big box stores. One has a retired plumber in the plumbing section. I’ll drive further to go to that one and wait patiently for his advice.

The first PC I owned was a 486 with 8MB of RAM which no one else had. I remember I could make a RAM drive and copy the entire install of games into the RAM drive and they would be so fast. Imagine being able to cache 3 floppy disks worth of data!

Lording it over us poor Vic-20 users :( I remember wishing I could have that computer. I ended up with a commodore 64 soon after.

I’m old enough to remember that my swap drives used to be on spinning drives that were slower than my gigabit fiber. Well, I’m actually older than that but still. If I really needed to run some unoptimized task that required a lot of memory I could consider trying it and walking away.

Honestly my google auto-type keyboard suggests that any time I post.