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“ML philosophy”, as in the somehow monolithical ideological orientation of the .ml instance, is not a thing. Regardless of what this extremely loud minority keeps crying about, the truth is that .ml admins either don’t care or are not very good at keeping “dissent” at bay. If anything, .ml is more tolerating of a wider variety of ideologies, including neoliberalism but not limited to that, which is in reality the pain point that y’all keep complaining about. .world is, by comparison, a lot more relentless at silencing dissent and maintaining a homogeneous ideology, just one that a lot of westerners are comfortable with. Lemmygrad and Hexbear are also a lot more dedicated to maintaining ideological homogeneity, but no amount of you (generic, not you in particular) pretending that .ml operates in the same exact way is going to make it true.

“ML philosophy”, as in marxism-leninism, is a branch of a wide family of marxist ideologies that has laid out the groundwork for a lot of the modern framework on how we understand society and labor. I’d believe you if you told me you haven’t seen it because it’s not mainstream; doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist or that it isn’t a fruitful field of study for sociologists. Notably, it is also not widely discredited outside of the US, a country that has a history of propagandizing exactly against this kind of thing.

I don’t understand your point about Dessalines’s place of residence? Even if you live in the US, you can be critical of the hegemonic narrative, you know. But my experience seems to be the converse to yours: This weird obsession with being concerned about tankies coming and eating you is genuinely not that strong of a thing except for extremely online edgelords. I hardly even see this kind of behavior outside of specifically westerners on Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, and Lemmy. And even then, there are more sane westerners on all these platforms who know that, in real life, the ones out to eat us all are most likely not coming exactly from that side of the spectrum.

Whenever I see comments like these, and their posters are asked to ellaborate, they usually always end up with something along the lines of “Well I wanted to be transphobic in peace and they wouldn’t let me”.

I won’t ask you to elaborate. Don’t know if it’s your case, don’t care either. At this point if you are seriously attempting to conflate .ml with the other two instances you are undoubtedly engaging in bad faith. But if this wasn’t already a red flag in its own right, you went out of your way to confirm it by saying that “.ml is legitimately worse than reddit in basically every way”.

You are not “thousands of users” and it’s quite pretentious of you to project your experience onto so many people. However, by adding fuel to the constant fire of the never-ending tankie discourse on Lemmy, you are helping making this place hostile to everyone except for a very thin fraction of the political spectrum (the one that is allowed to thrive in the West), therefore making it suck on Lemmy for, you know, actual thousands of users of many different backgrounds and creeds that don’t share the rabid anti-tankie brainrot.

Not willing to start an argument, since this whole topic about “tankies” on Lemmy is exactly as toxic, disingenuous and unproductive as it was back on Reddit, so I might not reply further than this.

But elsewhere in this thread I have seen you post “evidence” that was actually just some ridiculous meanwhileongrad thread. If we are going by those standards then I might as well pull out all the exaggerated out of context circlejerking about liberals that is common on Hexbear. If we are to drop our collective IQ to zero, we may well be playing this game in both directions. But oh wait, turns out it’s only bad when Hexbear does it to own the libs, but it’s fully solid compelling evidence when another certain instance does it about “tankies”.

The claim that .ml is censoring comments “for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK”, at the very least, does not match my experience of browsing .ml at all. But if you do have evidence as you say, I invite you to actually post it and let people discuss. It shouldn’t be hard; the modlog is public.

That said, I’m personally not interested in starting the 95474214th Lemmy argument about tankies this week on this website so don’t expect me to reply.

Jesus fucking christ dude, the insane obsession you guys over at lemmy.world have with tankies is unreal. Maybe go outside and touch some grass.

It’s always the same two instances complaining about the rest of the Fediverse not bending over to bootlick the US overworlds, and accusing the rest of somehow simping for other regimes just on the basis of opposing that. It is seriously getting tedious and insufferable.

On top of that, including lemmy.ml in there is just disingenuous. Grad and hexbear sure, they are spaces openly and deliberately created to discuss leftist politics. But there is literally nothing making lemmy.ml any less generalist than any instance, maybe other than a certain instance that is happy to ban and defederate anyone who dares question the US hegemony. You cannot bind lemmy.ml to “tankism” on any basis other than the Lemmy devs being socialist themselves despite letting anyone of any political creed use their software, unless you are dumb enough to take decontextualized meanwhileongrad-level bullshit seriously.

I moved over from .world to .ml to flee away from this American exceptionalism brainroot and, guess what? It didn’t work. I keep seeing the same constant complaints about this fictional group of Lemmy users that really like Putin and Xi or something and weaponizing those complaints to support and enact hostile actions against people and instances discussing anti-capitalist, anti-establishment policy. The only thing that changed is that now, besides that, I can also see leftists users engage in posts from my own account. So, funnily enough, the echo chamber effect became weaker after I moved to .ml.

It was a rather funny timing that this whole discussion about lemmy.ml being a hardcore tankie instance that should be widely defederated etc came to be about at the time that lemmy.world defederated lemmygrad and consequently ran out of red-flavored scapegoats to claim that they are being oppressed by some nebulous left-wing echo chamber.

I was genuinely hoping to see some examples of it, as I am honestly concerned about the safety of trans people on Lemmy due to recent events. But despite being subscribed to a few Hexbear comms myself, my detectors hasn’t gone off with them.

I am, of course, also concerned that transphobia is sometimes only being used as the subject of concern trolling to push more hostile actions against openly leftist instances.

There has been recently a heavily transphobic drama involving a certain non-binary user with a neopronoun that got massively dogpiled on, for no good reason that I could actually find, and the transphobia was not exactly coming from Hexbear or any tankie instance.

I’m open to reevaluating my relationship to that instance if transphobia is something that they allow or indulge. But sadly, I need receipts to ensure that you are not just disingenuously weaponizing the concept of transphobia to shit on an instance you don’t like.

You cannot assume that communities with the same name are meant to be on the same topic.

Say I set up an instance focused on discussing parties at home. There are fun in-person games you can play with your friends when many of you are over, so I would create a community c/games for discussing them. Now, what if I want my instance to federate with lemmy.world? They already have a c/games that is dedicated to videogames. Maybe I also would need a community dedicated to videogames, but I’d have to call it c/videogames, because I already have a c/games.

Some human intervention would be required to let the network know that the local c/videogames is the one that has to federate with lemmy.world’s c/games, and not the local c/games.

Maybe an automatic suggestion would be fine as a starting point, but it would be more useful that communities themselves could explicitly establish which remote communities they are associated with, without depending on the names.

The idea that I’m talking about is actually more like communities forming a network, with chains of following. If I host a new instance and create a memes community in it, I’d like to start having that community follow memes @ lemmy.ml and memes @ lemmy.world, so that the community already has content from the get-go, but users may be able to post memes that are unique to my instance and its followers. The followers would also see memes from upstream unless my community unfollows them, as long as they don’t also follow them independently.

This model of the network would allow each community to independently determine which other communities it thematically implies, without the user having to follow all 4 communities with the same name but different content across the platform.

The multireddit suggestion is more like having directories/tags for communities. It wouldn’t achieve quite the same thing, but it would be useful as well. Both ideas can coexist and complement each other.

There was some proposal that I have seen multiple times on Lemmy and at least once on the GitHub repo that communities should be able to subscribe to each other much like users can subscribe to communities. I vastly prefer this to other proposals such as auto-merging communities with the same name, which I can think of a few ways that can go wrong.

It would also be reasonably intuitive for the average user, since following stuff is already a familiar action you take on social media. You wouldn’t really need to understand the quirks of federation to know why posting to one community makes it appear on other downstream communities. And as far as I know about ActivityPub (which is admittedly not much), it’s not a stretch use it to implement a feature like this.

I wonder if this proposal ever reached anywhere.