h3doublehockeysticks [she/her]

And you’re just being mean because you don’t want to concede the point.

No, I’m being mean because you’re being intellectually dishonest and wasting everybody’s time to make a pedantic, useless, and somehow still wrong, point.

Unless you want to talk about anything other than your pointless need to redefine “Left unity” into a thing it isn’t (and then failing to argue against that), we’re done. You pointless person.

The popular fronts established by the soviet union lasted for 50 fucking years. You’re just being pedantic and useless on purpose.

In case anyone is thinking “Oh surely Lenin wouldn’t include people who weren’t marxists in this” btw

Prior to the downfall of tsarism, the Russian revolutionary Social-Democrats made repeated use of the services of the bourgeois liberals, i.e., they concluded numerous practical compromises with the latter. In 1901–02, even prior to the appearance of Bolshevism, the old editorial board of Iskra (consisting of Plekhanov, Axelrod, Zasulich, Martov, Potresov and myself) concluded (not for long, it is true) a formal political alliance with Struve, the political leader of bourgeois liberalism, while at the same time being able to wage an unremitting and most merciless ideological and political struggle against bourgeois liberalism and against the slightest manifestation of its influence in the working-class movement.

You let them help you build socialism as long as your goals align? Like what do you want me to say here “Massacre them in the streets right after the revolution”? As long as your goals align you work together, when they don’t you are opposed and act accordingly.
Do you want me to keep reading you Lenin?

Is it a thing on lemmygrad to pretend to read Lenin and then say the total opposite of what was meant? Is it common practise to selectively quote things out of context and then try to contort ML into blanquism?

You’re a dishonest actor, there is no need to be nice to you

ARE YOU CURRENTLY IN A PLACE IN WHICH YOU ARE MORE POWERFUL THAN THE BOURGEOIS INTERESTS? NO? THEN READ LENIN AGAIN YOU MOTHERFUCKER

Not only are most anarchists who would even be interested in such an alliance anarcho-communists, i.e. communists, Lenin directly calls for allying with any “mass ally”, even if this ally is “temporary, vacillating, unstable, unreliable and conditional”

Demanding decorum is actual idealist crap

Hey that’s a fun little quote, where did you get that. I wonder what “Distorters of Marxism” he was talking about? Could he be talking about “Liquidators”, i.e. people who wanted to disband the social-democratic party of Russia in favor of joining with legal parties? Nooo, that’d mean you were quoting something dishonestly, and that just couldn’t be.

I’m asking you to read “Left-communism: An infantile disorder”

Which I shall quote now

"All compromise with other parties . . . any policy of manoeuvring and compromise must be emphatically rejected,” the German Lefts write in the Frankfurt pamphlet.
It is surprising that, with such views, these Lefts do not emphatically condemn Bolshevism! After all, the German Lefts cannot but know that the entire history of Bolshevism, both before and after the October Revolution, is full of instances of changes of tack, conciliatory tactics and compromises with other parties, including bourgeois parties!
To carry on a war for the overthrow of the international bourgeoisie, a war which is a hundred times more difficult, protracted and complex than the most stubborn of ordinary wars between states, and to renounce in advance any change of tack, or any utilisation of a conflict of interests (even if temporary) among one’s enemies, or any conciliation or compromise with possible allies (even if they are temporary, unstable, vacillating or conditional allies)—is that not ridiculous in the extreme? Is it not like making a difficult ascent of an unexplored and hitherto inaccessible mountain and refusing in advance ever to move in zigzags, ever to retrace one’s steps, or ever to abandon a course once selected, and to try others? And yet people so immature and inexperienced (if youth were the explanation, it would not be so bad; young people are preordained to talk such nonsense for a certain period) have met with support—whether direct or indirect, open or covert, whole or partial, it does not matter—from some members of the Communist Party of Holland.
After the first socialist revolution of the proletariat, and the overthrow of the bourgeoisie in some country, the proletariat of that country remains for a long time weaker than the bourgeoisie, simply because of the latter’s extensive international links, and also because of the spontaneous and continuous restoration and regeneration of capitalism and the bourgeoisie by the small commodity producers of the country which has overthrown the bourgeoisie. The more powerful enemy can be vanquished only by exerting the utmost effort, and by the most thorough, careful, attentive, skilful and obligatory use of any, even the smallest, rift between the enemies, any conflict of interests among the bourgeoisie of the various countries and among the various groups or types of bourgeoisie within the various countries, and also by taking advantage of any, even the smallest, opportunity of winning a mass ally, even though this ally is temporary, vacillating, unstable, unreliable and conditional. Those who do not understand this reveal a failure to understand even the smallest grain of Marxism, of modern scientific socialism in general. Those who have not proved in practice, over a fairly considerable period of time and in fairly varied political situations, their ability to apply this truth in practice have not yet learned to help the revolutionary class in its struggle to emancipate all toiling humanity from the exploiters. And this applies equally to the period before and after the proletariat has won political power.

Although “left unity” is pure idealist crap

So’s your mom. There is something intensely funny about people claiming to be MLs following ML teachings calling for ideological purity before an ML state is established. Like read the tenets of your own belief system, read lenin.

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Aren’t MKNAOMI and MKULTRA the same thing? Like they were told to not do MKULTRA so they renamed it MKNAOMI?

I dont know it was a little terse for my taste

There is literally no word gamers could not make racist.

Of course you cantd ismiss the current context. But the current context of the meme is only rarely racist against Obama. He does not figure in the Xinnie the pooh shit. He figures in the original meme. Except for the very occasional cold warrior implying a collaboration between the two, which may involve a racist caricature of him, he’s usually not even a figure.
The original where he does figure, was made by Chinese people who are being called racist based on an English interpretation of Mandarin text that the people involved in the discussion hasn’t read and cannot read, in order to prove that white people are racist against Chinese people It is a totally unnecessary pretzel to tie yourself into. It is literally the meme in the OP.

They sure can. But unless you have proof that’s happening making the assumption just because you want them to be racist is weird. Do you have the original text of the post? Did they say tigger? Did they Imply anything racist? Or did you make it all up in your brain.

Numur. Because that’s his name in Arabic. But I’m sure you were trying to make a point that has absolutely nothing to do with what we’re talking about.

Your argument requires a drunk mishearing “Tiao Tiao Hu” as the n-word and reacting with violence, something has gone wrong here.

Like the argument thread we’ve gone down involves claiming Chinese people are making English puns to get away with saying racist stuff against Obama, to prove that the same image is racist against Chinese people (Even though it was made by Chinese people) and therefore the use of related imagery by (mostly) white redditors is racist.
This is stupid. Its just silly. The Xinnie the pooh shit is racist because its coloring a Chinese guy yellow and inevitably leads into racist tirades. The original Chinese meme does not have to be racist against black people for that to be the case.

No it wouldn’t. Of course it wouldn’t. The average person isn’t a hypersensitive violent psychopath, and PoC endure racist microaggressions all day without resorting to random fucking violence. Seriously this is the whitest fucking comment I’ve ever read.

And, importantly, the meme originates with a bunch of Mandarin speaking internet users. Why would they put a racist ENGLISH pun in their MANDARIN meme. The Mandarin name for Tigger ISN’T EVEN TIGGER. Unless you can find some way to turn “Tiao Tiao Hu” into the n-word it’s not even relevant.