Source: ¯_(ツ)_/¯

At least the other comment had the decency to provide sources for their statements

While I do genuinely feel sorry that this roommate of yours behaved in such awful and shitty way, my point was about the larger communities as a whole. Especially now that there are openly fascist people in power in the US and in a lot of other countries, I believe it’s even more important to be united. Or at least, as I quoted before, know where the differences lie.

That doesn’t mean being supportive of wrong behaviors and/or people of course. Being critical of wrongdoing is an essential skill. But in my opinion one can’t be as critical when generalizing about such large groups

Should I work with Marxist-Leninists?

If you’re organising at work or around housing issues, the people you work with are not going to all have the same politics at you, and your opinions on the July 1918 uprising of Left Socialist Revolutionaries after their expulsion from the Bolshevik government are not relevant to that situation. Yes, really, no-one gives a shit. You’re relating to each other as workers in that situation, not as representatives of a political niche, at least we hope not.

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If there are real political and organisational disagreements, it’s better to be open about them than gloss over them, and retain some independence.

However, even with my instance defederating ml, hexbear, and grad, I can still see people like you, which is slightly disappointing

Not as disappointing as seeing you contributing nothing to the conversation. You just replied to be mean and leave a snarky reply even though I’ve never interacted with you before.

But tell me more about how those other users are trolls…

I’m waisting my time. You keep ignoring my replies and bringing up new unrelated topics to avoid giving actual answers.

Have it your way. Goodbye

Sorry, but I did have an open mind with them. You’re the one that has a fundamental misunderstanding on the tankies of .ml

Riiight. I have an alt account on .ml (like you would know if you bothered to read linked my comment, instead of replying to only a chunk of my comment) but I am the one who don’t understand that instance…suuure.

Also, trying to use tankies as an offensive term, immediately shows your true colors and how much you “really had an open mind”. You didn’t and you don’t have an open mind.

Most of their positions isn’t “The ideals of communism is good and should be pursued” which is something I have no issues with

It actually is.

Their positions deny basic facts in support of their beliefs, like China being an authoritarian dictatorship masquerading as a communist country. Or China has in fact led its own genocides or that Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked. Hell they’ve even been known to be on favor of NK.

All of this is false. Just because there are SOME extreme users, it doesn’t mean the whole instance is like that. By the same standard, when I see a Trump meme or with Confederate flags or with transphobic content, I should generalize for the whole instance too, yes?

The examples you provided further show that you didn’t really went to .ml with an open mind. I am not denying those facts, but the way you described them indicate you learned nothing. There are SO many posts already there that address all those examples and how historical revisionism and propaganda helped to muddy the waters. A lot of the things we know about those historical facts (and let’s be honest - we’re not historians. The things we know about those events, are mostly what was told to us and what we quickly scanned on a summary) are somewhat painted in a light that makes them appear more favorable to whoever has interests in the race.

And when you bring up these basic facts, your comment is removed and you’re probably going to be at minimum banned from the community. They do not engage in good faith. Period.

I’ve never had any issues with the mods over there. Whenever I asked questions about ANY of those facts, I’ve always received very calm and detailed answers to those questions. Sometimes I was happy with their replies, sometimes I was not and my mind wasn’t changed.

But certainly I didn’t go in calling everyone a tankie and telling them they’re all just a bunch of insane users who don’t understand as much as you do.

That is why they are so hated

It’s not. It’s because it’s easier and more appealing for users to get on the hate train without actually engaging with different ideas.

Just like so many users do when they go in that community to ask a “gotcha” question that has been addressed thousands of times before and then cry “see? Authoritarian tankies!!” When they get banned for it.

Full honesty here: I too cried like that at first. But it’s precisely because I behaved in a similar way to what I just described. And that is not open mindedness

Edit: to reply to your screenshot: That comment is using a lot of common stereotypes. You think “western” platforms are not censored? Try making a positive post about Palestine on Reddit or on Instagram. I dare you.

Blocking is just shoving your head in the sand

I already wrote my thoughts here about this, so I’m not going to re write everything.

I am very much aware about those instances.

What it actually shows, is that neither of you have taken the time to understand why those instances are hated. You’re just following the trend without knowing why

what about new users who don’t know any better?

What about them? They can find out just like any other users have. Hopefully, those new users might do more research on them than you

Not very fair to them to be instantly subjected to that fire hose and is a bad look as a whole.

It’s exactly as bad of a look as any other instance in here. There are trolls everywhere, and you pretending that they’re only there is an outstanding simplification.

You think there aren’t any bigots on .world? What would those poor new users think of .world when they see a racist bigot?

The weird obsessions you and some users have for certain instances that you can block is truly mind boggling

Edit: lmao considering OP went to trouble of making a whole gif to celebrate being banned from .ml, I’d say they also fall into the category of “user being obsessed with another instance”. A very mature and normal thing to do!

I might sound like an asshole and I apologize in advance if I do because it’s not about you specifically in this case but, while I’m glad that you had people in your life who were willing to consistently talk to you and help you rethink some things, the problem to me is exactly that like you said, it does not happen overnight. At all. It actually takes a long time and a lot of trust between people to achieve what was achieved with you in this particular case. And while I am certainly glad to have another ally, time is a luxury in some cases.

Using the case of Palestine, a Palestinian village getting bombed because so many liberals simply don’t value their lives enough and don’t pressure their officials to do something about it, doesn’t have the luxury of time.

As another example, the collapse of our ecosystem is happening every single day. And while we let companies continue business as usual, those liberals think that it’s a topic that can always be postponed. But it can’t. And now we’re past the point of no return and yet we waste time in pointless conversations trying to explain to people that what is happening, is happening.

If some people on the left are willing to and have the time to take liberals by the hand and explain to them things they could look up for themselves if only they weren’t so dismissive and disinterested in the suffering of others, great. They surely have my thank. But I don’t think as a general strategy makes sense to wait for such liberal people to suddenly decide that importent issues are finally important enough to them to be acted upon.

Those issues have always been important and worthwhile. Their previous lack of interest about such topics is their own failure.

You’re talking as if for over a year (cough decades cough) Palestinian activists hadn’t tried talking to the liberals about their party’s unshakable support for the ongoing genocide.

What’s left to say to people who are “going to pick the lesser of 2 evils” even when you showed them that their pick is still funding the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinian people?

We should talk to general leftist people. Not the liberals. They still value money and profit over people

the most effective being the “Scandinavian model” countries which effectively blended large amounts of socialism into a capitalist system

That is absolutely NOT socialism. Like, at all. And if you legitimately think that, I’m genuinely sorry to say that you are quite unclear about what socialism is.

The Nordic countries are absolutely not socialist in any shape or form. They are very much capitalist societies with marginally better welfare systems. Which is not saying a lot considering the average country that leaves every individual to fend off for themselves.

They all have staggering amounts of regulation.

I was being overly simplistic in my original comment I admit. They do have regulations, but know this: “regulations” in a capitalist system are always limited in their scope and are primarily designed to sustain the capitalist system to allow it to perpetrate its profit-first essence. By nature, they are never created with the intent to actually challenge or limit their fundamental exploitative dynamics (think of the 2008 crisis. The banks were bailed out and measures were put in place to stabilize the market. And yet no serious measures were put in place to fundamentally change the market itself or to prevent future exploitations).

I sincerely hope you might use this conversation as an opportunity to read and learn more about Socialist/Marxist theory. I am convinced far more people would agree with it more than they think (especially in these fucked up times) if they’d read more about it

Oh so now we’re moving the goalpost?

We started with “socialist theory is the problem!” but when pressured, suddenly it’s “well the theory is not really the problem”.

Go figures

I have definitely read enough to not write something as incoherent as

No…not everyone hates capitalism. Everyone hates uncontrolled capitalism

and just proving the OP’s post right.

I think you need to read more of the theory.

I truly could not care less about the opinion of someone like you who is defending capitalism with such passion in these comments

You can tell by some of these comments

Which channel specifically are you referring to?

Your comment smells of “enlightened cantrist trying to sound reasonable (but failing at it)”

You clearly have never read anything about it, so I’d be curious to know specifically which part of socialist theory you disagree with.

Everyone hates uncontrolled capitalism

Yeah, that’s capitalism. By definition, capitalism demands to be uncontrolled and without rules to bring the most profit. So when you’re done pulling stuff out of thin air, let us know

Be careful agreeing with this post. OP is posting a lot of racist, ableist and bigoted content

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(to clarify: Hamas is not the right side, the “right side” is to protect the innocent civillians in the region)

I’d legitimately like to know what you are specifically referring to. Because FAR TOO MANY people only know about Hamas what the Israeli government/interest groups wanted them to see. Especially because without Hamas, most Palestinian people would not have water nor electricity for example. So they are in fact protecting the innocent civilians, unlike what you wrote. You were wrong there.

I’d be curious to hear why the people trying to push back their colonizers are not on the right side to you. Who is then? Is it Israel, the one literally bombing, kidnapping, raping and using Palestinian people as human shields?

I too am very confused and would like to know