Then there is no such thing as plants and there is no need to value a life of a pig over a life of a potato.

Yes, because they are the same as us - humans.

Animals are not necessarily subhuman, but clearly not human.

I mean, I guess I could go into detail about the differences about the behavioir of animals and humans and what that tells about their intelligence and inner life, but I am not such a big fan of typing to be honest. I will only say that animal behaviour is simple enough to be predicted, ehy always act on the strongest impulse: whether it is food, sleep or whatever. But a human has a such complex network of character, desires, affect, beliefs, and emotions, that they can in a way that is impossible to predict. Can you imagine an animal starving itself to death deliberately? No, it would not be able to do that, as it’s instincts would overpower anything else if it got sufficiently hungry. But we can have other reasons for that that we act upon.

Honestly, if I was a vegan, I would almost certainly not say thay animals are as complex as humans, as most people would probably(quite rightly) not agree. They are more primitive as a great deal of what makes us us is our complex social structures that no animal has(even highly social ones). We have meanings and values given to us by society, which animals do not have. We are capable of morality, animals are not. I am honestly tired of typing. I think the point is clear enough now that I can stop.

Impossible to compare between humans.

Animals are functioning clearly at a more primitive level than humans. You must surely agree to this.

No, I wouldn’t.

While humans and animals have inner worlds that are orders of magnitude apart in terms of complexity, I would say that most people feel more or less the same emotions, but of course some people are more self-actualised, but everyone has the potential for that, even if it is not realised.

And it is impossible to compare this complexity in practice, of course, as there are no criteria for measuring that. Also, every human is unique in a sense and is valuable precisely because of that.

Ultimately, our values are impossible to defend. We can either share them or not, I do not care much about the animals, you do, this is fine by me.

Obviously I am not talking about fetuses. I responded to the racism comment and the inner lives of people are generally not that complicated when tbey are in the womb. I am just using this as a reason to value humans over animals.

Also, minds are not made out of neurons, brains are.

Poor choice of words on my part, perhaps. Maybe, if I chose "mind, instead of the more poetic word “soul” people would not reply about how an embryo is not ensouled.

But please tell me, was your original comment about racism towards animals sarcastic? It is sometimes hard to tell, and it seems almost like a position someone would hold.

Yes, exactly. The complexity of the human soul is uncomparable to the basic impulses of any animal.

“North Finland Treaty Organisation”

Yeah, in my defense, my head hurts like shit and I can barely think.

Christians are usually the ones against abortions, and it seemed to me the people the original comment was talking about were conservative christians, but I see how my comment is not entirely relevant.

Well, most christians here would not agree with americans on many issues, christianity is not the problem.

Richest country in the world!

But on a serious note, that sounds like a decent idea, though I suppose you might as well just give people the money. Idk why they would only allow it to be soent on food.

Homophobe.

You know how there are female characters in films and literature that are made to be the bare minimum of what they need to be to move the plot for the male protagonist.

This is basically Himmel, he is only made likeable enough for us to feel bad for Frieren because of his death.

This is clearly “bathorn”.

A horse with arms is much more dangerous. No way I could take it.