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Yep, their defederation from piracy comms and moderation of Luigi-related politics are my two biggest gripes with the instance administration itself.

Me, but it’s for the perfect book/article to autoscroll during my four minute shower.

Not sure if it’s the same leak, but if it’s PatriotFail, it’s even got videos.

Watch the marching drill one for a good laugh. https://xcancel.com/alt_uscis/status/1549969687999553539

Headlines are being headlines, I get it, but Fry was repeating a joke:

“I heard a very good joke yesterday,” the QI host, 67, told Stig Abell on Times Radio on Thursday.

“Someone said, ‘Musk is not a Nazi… Nazis made really good cars,’” he went on, before bursting out laughing.

(also pinging @Cowbee@lemmy.ml)

Sometimes*, it’s still worth replying to bad faith ‘debate’, not to discuss or even necessarily refute them, but to address their audience, including lurkers.

That said, it’s also good to have FAQs and links so you don’t waste 30 minutes of your labor replying to a downvoted sunken bad faith one-liner.

Yep, deportations and plans for deportations, including the Madagascar Plan.

Neo-Nazis often lie (yes, knowingly lie) and say they just want a group deported ‘back to their own land’. It’s a much easier pill to swallow for the group of racists and nationalists who think genocide is a step too far, and it acts to sanewash them, but at the end of the day it’s cheaper and simpler to exterminate like the Nazi Regime did. Plus, there are groups who don’t have an external indigenous land, like the trade unionists, gays, trans, communists, liberals, people with disabilities, […] and so it’s clear that they can’t just deport and imprison all the ones they don’t like. It always ends the same way with fascism.

Of course, but it’s there now and they’re happy to abuse it. Call them hypocrites all you want, they couldn’t care less.

This is correct, and also, Nazis don’t care about good faith argumentation. They’re explicitly anti-liberal (as in, liberty, freedom) and will only pretend to have these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction (“You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?”)

In this video of former white supremacists talking about how they left the ideology, one brings up that on their Nazi website, it was normal and common to argue for points they knew were garbage, like the Great Replacement theory. It’s about power and results, not liberalist idealism.

Violent methods usually aren’t the preferred way of dealing with Nazis (because it’s harder to get a mass movement to join in and support it, and because it’s riskier, legally, which makes it harder to sustain), but it works. It broke up the BUF in Britain, it’s kept the local turds scared to show their faces or reveal their true thoughts (don’t worry, they still usually get revealed by researchers anyway). Violence works. They know it and we know it. But when they’re the government, their violence is now legal.

Maybe. It could also be just a general aversion of politics in the workplace, it’s usually not a good place to start (non-work related) political fights.

I have talked to people. That’s how I’ve found fellow socialists at work, alongside some others who are increasingly (and surprisingly) critical of capitalism and systematic issues affecting them.

Obviously culture changes from place to place, I don’t know your circumstances, but I expected my workplace to be especially conservative.

Someone in that thread you linked to posted this short video, I think it’s worth a watch: There are more communists than you think!

Dr. Strangelove is a surprising adept analogue - immigrant from a white supremacist regime who can’t leave it behind, weird and socially awkward, [supposed] tech expert. Maybe I’m stretching it a bit.

‘Accident’ isn’t the word I’d use to describe a famous, clear, unique and repeated gesture. It’s not something one does unknowingly. I’d lean more towards ‘association’, ‘intuition’, perhaps ‘familiarity’, if it weren’t premeditated. It’s no secret that Musk is frequently interacting with and boosting neo-nazis on their social media platform, the most doubt I could possibly give them is they wanted to do a powerful victory gesture, picked the first one that came to mind and they were too damn ignorant to realize even US conservatives don’t like Nazi symbols.

You know it’s gotten pretty bad when even the anarchist flag usernames are meming about how ridiculous the anti tankie attitude is.

Yep. Socialist orgs are generally public-facing and have no interest in secrecy, we’re not hiding from people. We don’t vet people before letting them see meetings like the neo-nazis and many politicians do, we’re basically the same inside as we are outside. And it pays off: there’s no fake persona to uphold, no paranoia about federal infiltration. Just walk in and have a look around, we’re here to build a mass movement, not some arrogant secret conspiracy cell.

I’m not sure what I am any more.

Political labels are pretty junk, especially after centuries of mass media and propaganda in the mix. I find it helps to learn to convey your values specifically if you want to avoid that whole mess.

• The ‘left-right spectrum’ is subjective and relative which makes it pretty useless without having a ton of context. “Leftist”, by itself, is mostly a meaningless term. To socialists, a progressive liberal is usually considered center or even right wing. Some socialists even call other socialists right-wing. It’s just pointless.
• What the US mass media calls ‘liberals’ is a progressive liberal in political science. What the US mass media calls a conservative is usually a conservative liberal aka right-liberal, that’s why they constantly prize liberty and freedom. The US libertarian is simply a classical liberal. They’re all liberals!

Useful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nPVkpWMH9k - “Why the political compass is wrong”, explaining how vague and ultimately ineffective the left-right auth-lib models of politics are.

That assumption isn’t true. Socialists aren’t born that way, most come out of the status quo ideology of liberalism. By abandoning all liberals with blanket statements, we’d simply self-fulfill that prophecy. Even US libertarian militias, a peak of liberalist ideology, have sometimes sided with antifascists over fascists (see: Redneck Revolt lines of affiliation with American Pit Vipers).

You’re referencing a real trend, and there’s a kernel of truth behind it, however it’s harmful to the socialist movement to assume that as a universal inevitability.

You want violence rather than solutions

Violence is a tool which can, and in the past has, created solutions when used appropriately. It’s how we dissolve the fascist groups in my area.

The problem with extremist right wingers isn’t merely that they’re violent, the issues are:

• Their demands and rationale (based on their values as a ‘right winger’)
• *Their ill-conceived, anti-social use of violence *(e.g. race war PotD envisioned by neo-Nazi terrorists, a strategy that history has demonstrated simply doesn’t work. They’re not even achieving their goals, just slaughtering innocent citizens)

Look at prominent cases of whoever you declare to be ‘left wing extremists’. They’re typically targeting specific atrocious people or groups like neo-Nazis or heads of state or capitalist industrialists, not just terrorizing citizens.