Th4tGuyII

We’re always told the people at the bottom rung of society, the people doing “entry level” jobs just need to work harder and harder to earn a proper living…

But how does that work really? Unlike a lot of high level jobs, none of these jobs just exist for the sake of existing, most of these “entry level” jobs are essential to society (we saw that much during the pandemic).

Somebody has to do them or society just doesn’t work, so don’t the people doing these literally essential jobs deserve to be paid a fair living wage? They’re working just as hard as the people above them, yet they’re paid peanuts in comparison

That’s the hill Pope Francis is willing to die on? - that Gender ideology is the ugliest danger today?
Not Russia’s endless onslaught against the Ukrainian people or Israel’s genocide against the Palestinian people?
Pope Francis needs to get outside more often.

Yeah - but if you can show someone directly what you animated, that’s far better than someone’s review of what you animated. If a show is no longer available due to licensing, then the seas (or physical copies if you can find them) are the way to do that.

The others have cool abilities, but I’d take the Treasure Stone - I’m anxious when it comes to confrontation and speaking, so something I could hold onto to make me more confident in myself would be a godsend.

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Again, I’m only taking this seriously because I’m having it thrown back seriously…

Joe shouldn’t be forced to work to help his family put food on the table - how this family doesn’t qualify for some kind of substantial support given the Mum is caring for so many old folks is downright criminal…

But in the reality of their situation, they’re stuck living on the Dad’s meager wage, with the Mum as a fulltime carer, and a bed of old people in addition to a young child.

It’s a shite situation with no real way out, but it could be at least a little bit better with Joe helping out in some way or another - whether that be working himself or even just helping around the house so Mum can go work to help out.

That’s the reality of struggle, when your family is struggling just to stay afloat, everyone who can has to help keep the ship going, even those who shouldn’t really have to. If you think that’s a Tory argument, I really don’t know what to tell you

Edit: Also, this is the last I’ll be chatting on this thread - so I’ll probably read what you write, but don’t expect any replies

I’m only taking this as seriously as I am because other people in this particular reply thread are - and then there’s you going “iT’s A cHiLd’S moViE sO nOnE oF tHiS mAtTeRs” - like let people have their fun man.

You want to prove you missed the joke - look at the meme the OP made, it literally saying Grandpa Joe stayed in bed whole his family were broke.

Again, you’re missing the point of the joke of hating Grandpa Joe.

Literally everyone making the joke is aware of the fact this is a family friendly film coming from a children’s book.

The premise is if you took the situation seriously, Grandpa Joe comes out looking a bit of an asshole.

Why are you even in this thread if you’re just gonna shoot the fun down?

I have already prefaced in another reply that this Grandpa Joe hate isn’t that serious, it’s poking fun at the fact he goes from bed-bound to suddenly facing and jiving as though it were nothing…

Having said that, even if he couldn’t work part time, if he isn’t at least as bed-bound as the others he could at least help out around the house so Mum can go work so they don’t have to eat cabbage soup every night, rather than dedicating her life to caring for a bed’s worth of old people.

Just to preface this, the fuck Grandpa Joe train is meant to be a light-hearted thing, I’m only taking it seriously because other people are refuting it like it’s a serious thing. Anyways…

If it walks like a Tory, talks like a Tory, and regurgitates bootstraps rhetoric like a Tory…

Talks like a Tory, really now?

I ain’t talking about bootstraps or breaking out of debt, that ain’t easy at all. I’m talking about making enough extra money that maybe your family don’t have to have cabbage soup every night - a little luxury, not a lot to ask for.

Everyone from a poor or working class family understands that poverty isn’t something you can graft your way out of. Also, a man described as “96 and a half” and the most fragile among Charlie’s grandparents, managed to muster the energy to celebrate his grandson winning a prize and then accompanied him on a half day tour round a local factory. If you think that’s sufficient to classify him as work capable, then you’ve got a bright future conducting disability assessments for the DWP.

I understand that too, as I said I ain’t on about that, and I think you’ve misunderstood me thinking I am.

Again, from the 90 year olds I know, that jig is more energy than I’ve ever seen displayed from them, especially someone that was supposedly bed-bound.

And if he really is the most fragile, why aren’t the others helping out around the house at the very least so Mum can go work, rather than dedicate her life caring for an entire double bed’s worth of old people on top of her family living on one person’s wage?

Bloody heck mate, lighten up a bit. Everyone hating on Grandpa Joe is aware it’s a family film, it’s just a rather conspicuous plot-hole that he went from not moving for years to prancing and dancing about.

But if you’re going to be a pain in the arse about it…

Firstly, you mischaracterise the elderly, maybe from a myopic view based on personal anecdotes. People who live active lives before retirement tend to live relatively active lives after retirement. The reason they may choose to live more cautious lifestyles is because mundane injuries for a young person can spell a death sentence for the elderly. In over 65s, a simple fall can lead to a hip fracture, which has a one-year mortality rate of 21% if the patient undergoes surgery; this mortality rate rises to 70% if they do not undergo surgery.

Yeah, but we know Grandpa Joe has supppsedly been bed-bound like the other elders for years. He may have once lived an active lifestyle, but he ain’t active now, and (especially when you’re older) muscle you don’t use disappears fast.

Secondly, if you earnestly believe that a 90 year old, over 20 years into retirement, needs to polish their work boots, get on their bike, and find work to support their family, then you’re either mentally deficient, a child with zero experience of the job market, or a tory. Either way, you’re detached from reality.

Damn, you really throwing the word Tory around like that… I’m firmly working class, I know struggle - and I do think that if you’re barely hanging onto existence like Charlie’s family is, then anyone who can be working should be for the sake of your family to improve life even just a little bit.

It absolutely is cruel to suggest that someone retired should have to pick up their cap, but life can be cruel like that, and I think you’re detatched from reality acting like that sort of thing never happens - like nobody ever needs to come out of retirement for any reason ever.

Forgetting the fact that a retiree has earned their retirement, a company is simply less likely to take on an over 65, either through some judgment of their ability or out of fear that a common workplace slip can turn into a death.

True, but that doesn’t stop Grandpa Joe from trying - sure beats watching your family living destitute while you live bed-bound for years full well knowing you don’t need to be

You really need to get some perspective on how the world works, and maybe a hobby that isn’t making ill-informed ultra-literalised criticisms of family films. Next you’ll be saying that Grandpa Joe should learn to code so he can remote hustle from his bed.

Again, chill the fuck out mate, it’s way more light-hearted than you’re being. Everyone’s aware it’s a family film.

Having said that, my perspective is that the world can be cruel at times, and that Grandpa Joe should be doing his part to help his destitute family rather than lying in bed if he’s got enough energy to start dancing and singing, and fucking around with his Grandson in a chocolate factory - I think you’re out of touch if you think everybody hits 65 and suddenly s financially set for the rest of their lives.

Also, certainly given the original film’s setting, I suspect that neither of those would’ve been a thing yet.

Yeah, I have - and the ones that could walk were constantly having to sit down, not doing bloody jigs like Joe did upon learning about the Golden Ticket.

Grandpa Joe has significantly more energy than his peers, that much I can tell - and the fact he let his poor family suffer rather than put that energy to use working even just a day a week is part of why I hate Grandpa Joe

Sure - but if Joe’s got enough energy to fuck around in a chocolate factory with his grandson, then he’s got enough energy to work part-time to help his desperately poor family

If you didn’t have the anti-caking agent, the cheese would just cake up into one solid mass, making the whole “pre-shredded” part literally meaningless…

If you want shredded cheese without anti-caking agents, just shred your own - it’s cheaper, and only requires a grater and a bit of extra time over pre-shredded.

Honestly, that’s better than the literally 0 seconds the original author gave them

FTFY

Pretty much. While it’s worth knowing that not everyone agrees on how implicit multiplication is prioritised, anywhere that everyone agreeing on the answer actually mattered, you wouldn’t write an equation as ambiguous as this one in the first place

The meme refers to the problem of handling implicit multiplication by juxtaposition.
Depending on what field you’re in, implicit multiplication takes priority over explicit multiplication/division (known as strong juxtaposition) rather than what you and a lot of people would assume (known as weak juxtaposition).

With weak juxtaposition you end up 9 just as you did, but with strong juxtaposition you end up with 1 instead.

For most people and most scenarios this doesn’t matter, as you’d never encounter such ambiguous equations outside of viral puzzles like this, but it is worth knowing that not all fields agree on how implicit multiplication is handled.

So you were taught strong juxtaposition then, where the implicit multiplication takes priority?