FunkyStuff [he/him]

You think the fact that Russia is put under sanctions, barred from participating in international sports and other activities, has their gas lines to the rest of Europe bombed by the US, and is generally treated like they’re Nazi Germany is sensible? In a world where the countries making those decisions turn away when Israel and the US do much worse?

I took a couple down with me!

Probably in a perfect world they all would’ve been sent to the gulags and worked to death in the cold. But what would be materially different about living in that world as opposed to the one where they were forced to do the same thing except it was white collar labor?

I think that the fact that the capitalist world achieved the rapid 20th century development from the plundering of the global south, while the USSR managed comparable growth as they lost 27 million people in the fight against fascism (and were later forced to spend ridiculous amounts of resources developing weapons to maintain MAD against the US) should also count for something. Capitalist development isn’t very impressive in the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Honduras, Panama, Colombia, Ecuador, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, Chile (despite the Allende admin), Argentina, Egypt, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, etc. Even with some jumps in life expectancy and literacy rates, uneven capitalist development is undeniable and a much graver problem than its analogue in the former second world.

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You haven’t actually substantiated the claim that there’s “a genocide happening.” All you’ve done is show that a handful of countries that are aligned with the West wanted to start a debate about China’s human rights violations.

You’re not supposed to trust OIC because they’re biased in favor of China. You’re supposed to trust the NATO bloc countries, they have no bias.

Ok, the goalposts turned and left us here. What do you want me to say? Looks like Poland, Taiwan, Czechia, Turkey, and Ukraine don’t like China, a phenomenon that I can’t offer an explanation for without being accused of moving the goalposts further.

If there’s something substantial to what you’re saying (hell you never even made a claim, the original comment in this chain wasn’t even specific about what he believed was or wasn’t true about Uyghurs) it’s on you to bring evidence to the table.

Ok so when white people say China is committing genocide based on 0 evidence, that’s just Reason and Facts. But when the rest of the world says “hey can we move on from this crap” they’re the ones that are acting based on political reasons, blinded by trade relations and geopolitics?

Why do you think post-Warsaw Pact states like Poland, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine fall in line with what the ruling classes of the richest countries want? Could it be that these countries became completely dominated by the Western IMF/NATO protection racket upon seceding? Could it be that there’s been a concerted effort since the beginning of the Cold War to create a class of liberal and fascist collaborators in these countries with the explicit purpose of defeating communism? Should it be surprising that they’re anticommunist as a result?

Taiwan is probably the most obvious one to choose if I wanted an example of a country (allegedly) with a vested interest in making up human rights violations against China.

And how can you call the side with the US in it democratic?

He linked you a UN vote where almost all the majority Muslim countries, save for Somalia, voted no or abstained on starting a debate about China’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That’s not China speaking.

I think it’s not great that there’s been some cases of abuse in China’s vocational facilities in Xinjiang, but that’s all that the evidence from Western NGOs actually substantiates. Not genocide, ethnic cleansing, organ harvesting, or whatever it is that you want critics of imperialism to condemn.

Let me ask you this: what would it actually mean materially for every communist in Europe and North America to condemn China? Do they have to send letters to their representatives asking them to put tariffs on China and exert diplomatic pressure on Beijing? Do they have to protest at their nearest Chinese embassy? Leftists in the West already live in countries that have anti-China foreign policies. We couldn’t make them more anti-China if we tried. So what’s your goal?

The problem with this formulation is that an agreement in ideals or values says nothing about an alignment in strategy. If one group thinks the only way to achieve its goal is to agitate, educate, and organize the people to the point that they’re capable of the complete overthrow of the status quo, while someone else thinks that the status quo can be reformed and made to serve the people, their strategies will actually be completely opposed to each other. That’s true regardless of the fact that both of them might be motivated by the same thing, and even the same goal.

“the left” is never going to get anywhere if they’re so eager to eat their fucking own

I don’t think it should be taken as a self-evident truth that a social democrat is “our own” when the goals of a social democrat are to fix capitalism, while revolutionaries’ is to sharpen the contradictions. I think that in this case OP does just like posting bait, and this post is bait, however.

IIRC he had never firmly committed to boycott Cornell. He had been asked about it and said something more or less like “yeah I’ll look into it.”

And the last time the KMT controlled anything even nearly ressembling what they claim to be the rightful rulers of was in the 40s.

I think you might be thinking about things the wrong way if you’ve identified capitalism as a root problem and the solution is anything other than a revolution. How else are you dealing with it?

OTOH I agree with your main point that participating in the existing political system with cadre candidates is necessary. But their main purpose is to funnel people into revolutionary organizations, moreso than wielding power directly because we don’t expect the existing political system to be useful to that end.

What sources do you recommend on how the DPRK’s government works?