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I’m trying to read your argument generously, and it comes off as: a minority has to work with the enemy to have a chance at achieving some of its goals.

Please correct me, as that doesn’t seem right?

The GOPedo with Trump are still in the popular minority of votes, they haven’t been neither popular majority nor willing to compromise for 50 years.

White Christians aren’t a US minority group, or do you mean that the GOPedo has negotiated with them for the current policies? (With minorities I refer to political minority powers, not necessarily demographics)

Or is it the plurality of voters that should accept working with Trump over Biden to get some of their policy? It would seem that Biden would be the compromise candidate, as Trump doesn’t seem to be pursuing any voter driven policy (health care, jobs, lower inflation, lower cost of living, legalising drugs, etc.), besides perhaps those of further US minorities (Heritage foundation, oligarchs, Saudi Arabia, Russia).

Would you please clarify what you’re arguing for with your picked examples?

Good thing he got replaced, the next one would never do that right?

Oh, he did as well? Well, at least you voted him out when you found out.

Wait, you elected him back? Despite him having done so before just last time, and openly promising to do so again? And the alternative not having done so, nor promising to?

How much could you really care if you’re repeatedly and knowingly going against it?

You can test this at home. Draw a circle on a paper, wrap it around a ball.

If you want the edge cases, draw the circle on a sheet of rubber (or maybe a plastic bag?) and stretch it over a ball.

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I appreciate the answer, but I’m afraid I disagree on several points.

I will give one thing to start off with, yes the premise is dumb, that’s why it’s a humorous meme.

instead of saying “the bible isn’t proof that god exists the same way a physics book in itself isn’t proof that physics exist, but we can observe and replicate physics experiments in a way that gives us high confidence that our understanding of the laws of physics is sound”

I’d argue this is exactly what the meme says. The meme as format is a much simplified rehash of the argument, more of a reference than an actual argumentation. It conveys the frustration of having to rehash a long debunked argument in a humorous nod to those who’ve had to live them and repeat them many times. This is btw probably why you’re getting the reactions you are in this thread, the meme isn’t the argument itself. On the other hand it gets reposted because there’s always someone who gets tripped up, and the exercise of rehashing it might illuminate them or another reader.

the spider-man (respect the hyphen) comics aren’t proof of spider-man’s existence because they make zero effort to prove spider-man exists. like that’s not even a concern of the book, how bad are you at analogies… you can make the same argument instead with something like the secret.

What effort does the Bible or any book make to prove their characters’ existence? I’d argue it’s to post claims you can verify. Claims like descriptions of places and events. Spiderman comics are quite easily verified as many of the locations and events described can be investigated in person, or corroborated through photos, video, independent reports.

Or is the linchpin that the Spiderman comics don’t explicitly claim that they are true? Would your view change if someone had written and underlined “Truth!” in one of them? I’d argue it shouldn’t, just claiming something’s true doesn’t make it so, they could be mistaken or lying.

funnily enough the quran works as an argument against the bible since christians ostensibly believe in the bible but not the quran even though there are vast similarities.

I entirely agree, and this is the part of the meme the atheists are secretly smug about.

Let me try to rephrase the argument the meme makes and see if it clicks.

If the Bible is proof that God exists (as many Christians believe).

And the Quran is proof that god/Allah exists (as many Muslims believe).

Then spiderman comics are proof that Spider-man exists (which many Christians and Muslims disbelieve).

Either you believe all three are true, or you don’t believe the existence of the book makes it true.

You’re entirely right, yet also entirely missing the point.

The proof of Physics existing isn’t in the book, and no physicist would claim you take what’s in the book on faith, nor that it’s unquestionable, nor that other books on physics are lies, nor kill/lynch/shun people for studying the universe through other perspectives like chemistry or mathematics or biology.

Asked for proof of Physics, physicists make predictions that can be reliably reproduced, not telling you to read the Physics book harder.

Regardless, everyone is new sometime, why not provide links, a counter argument or anything useful rather than just deriding them? This way you mostly come off as an ass who doesn’t understand the argument.

I just learnt the difference, an em-dash is as long as an m and used for other things than the shorter en-dash (as long as an n).

Em-dashes are more common in literature, which a lot of AI is trained on, rather than online speak where it’s annoying and difficult to notice the difference between - and — (and not to be confused with –).

And yet, plenty of memes to be had, shared, created, evolved and enjoyed.

Seems a skill issue?

Same for unregulated systems, only without transparency, limits or recourse

You’re still viewing it from today’s perspective. We distinguish natural philosophy from chemistry, physics, etc. - they did not.

They did however call natural philosophy “Physics”. From their perspective all our fields fit under physics, except for applied science which fits under crafting (as natural philosophy devalued empiricism).

The Greek very much had a concept of Physics.

The word physics comes from the Latin physica (‘study of nature’), which itself is a borrowing of the Greek φυσική (phusikḗ ‘natural science’), a term derived from φύσις (phúsis ‘origin, nature, property’) (Wikipedia)

Also note that Aristotelian physics was the dominant paradigm in Europe almost until Newton.

There’s an argument to be had that engineering didn’t exist as a science until recently. Several of the more famous engineering treatises name it as crafting.

That’s very revisionist of you.

What we call physics today wouldn’t qualify as physics in Ancient Greece, where they described how the world actually works, and not bothering with this empiricism nonsense.

There are plenty of textbooks of physics before then, even predating Greece. Waterworks, astronomy, ship building, architecture, war machines, not to mention metaphysics, alchemy, atomic theory, etc.

We didn’t have a rigorous scientific method until thereabouts though.

Such a pretty kitty!

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Technically you’re correct, however, the unevenness of the cast iron pans is harder to clean and thus effectively retains more flavor. In common parlance: the pan absorbs flavor even though the iron doesn’t (let’s gloss over the few things that do bond to iron).

Beyond cast iron, which is cast and thus has a rough surface from the molding. Carbon steel pans are made from sheets and then shaped, it’s the same material, only different processing. But the sheet is smooth, meaning less nooks and crannies for stuff to hide behind come cleaning time.

Also, have you considered the feel of grass against your fingers, I hear it’s lovely this time of year.

I use a carbon steel pan, as I find the smoothness much easier to keep clean (smaller pores than cast iron).

I spent some time seasoning it at first (6 layers is a little overkill, I did 8, don’t be me), and now I just lightly scrub/wipe off any food or oils after cooking and reseason maybe monthly if that. My pan is dry and clean between uses.

If I burn food or it sticks for some other reason, I scrub harder. If I need an abrasive, I reseason afterwards.

Reseasoning includes cleaning thoroughly with detergent to get any soot off. Then rubbing in oil with cloth, and drying off as much as possible with a clean cloth before popping it into the oven for an hour. Wiping it down gives thin, even layers.

If need be I repeat up to three times.

I’ve used them for 4-5 years now without issue.

My cast iron grill pan absorbs more flavors though, so that needs a lot more cleaning if switching between cuisines.