It’s easy to make allegations like that but you haven’t provided any evidence so far
Also maybe the reason why some people aren’t such big fans of Hexbear/Lemmygrad is because they justify and endorse imperialism, invasions, and murdering, as long as it’s non-western countries doing those things.
I literally commented a screenshot of their user profile where maam says “alt of sunshine”
ask @hamid@crazypeople.online about how healthy sunshine is for the fediverse
On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, Piefed has a lot of anti-communist shit in its code.
It essentially exists because some libs were whining about supposed tankie censorship, and then made their own lemmy with blackjack and hookers censorship had coded into it.
Piefed literally has a social credit score for users. You can’t make this shit up ¯_(ツ)_/¯
It’s been very funny to see the rhetorical slide in the last decade.
Sure I’m a progressive but I’m not a socialist
-Sure I’m a socialist but I’m not some communist
-Sure I’m a communist but I’m not some kind of tankie
The overton window will continue to shift as conditions deteriorate, reform continues to fail, and us “tankies” continue to be proven correct about everything. Enjoy the ride
I have identified as a communist since I came out of the alt right pipeline. But I also learned that just because propaganda says one thing that the opposite is true. Having a nuanced view of how to world works isn’t a “rhetorical slide”. Just because the west is evil doesn’t mean the east isn’t.
If you believe in evil, your view isn’t as nuanced as you think it is
The assumption that “tankies” (communists with an understanding of history, geopolitics and systems theory) are simply swapping one set of unthinking blanket loyalites for another out of some kind of contrarianism or intellectual laziness is itself an intellectually lazy assumption based in a lack of understanding. If I wanted to do that, I wouldn’t have had to read so many damn books. The actual truth is that the “tankie” worldview is by far the most nuanced out of all the mainstream political tendencies. It is built on dialectical and historical materialism rather than a static liberal idealism composed of floating signifiers. Rigorous analysis, critique and self-critique are built into it’s foundations. To put it simply, the liberal and western leftist understanding of the world is a static, abstract diorama drenched in the residue of christianity while the tankie understanding is a scientific machine in constant motion. When western leftists who haven’t yet examined their internalized propaganda and chauvinism say things like “just because the west is evil doesn’t mean the east isn’t” and think they’re addressing something the “tankie” actually believes, they are projecting their own lack of nuance onto the tankie.
I started this comment feeling a lot more snarky, but have ended it feeling a lot more up to the task of explaining in good faith. I’ve been exactly where you are, I’ve been you. You have not yet been me.
What is now happening to Marx’s theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie.
All the social-chauvinists are now “Marxists” (don’t laugh!).
I am for an armed revolution I just don’t think installing a dictator at the end of it will help the people in a meaningful way long term. Putting a single person in charge will always lead to corruption eventually.
Wow the hexbear brigade really does not like the idea of non-tankies commies. Communists were there before Marx and Engels, some disagreed with them, and still do, and some that agree with Marx and Engels disagree with stalinism and maoism. Authoritarianism isn’t built in communism.
I am said non tankie commie. Its so weird being told I’m a lib by them because I don’t like any repressive regime.
Edit: I find it fascinating that I a trans woman am supposed to support multiple governments that have outright said I ethier don’t exist or jailed people like me.
You see comrade, you’re illegal because Stalin and Mao hate you. You’re the bad working class because you have gender expression. To the education camp!
Now that Piefed is getting popular tankie users are feeling threatened so they sling the mud.
This user is sunshine@lemmy.ca and is a serial harasser who has attacked multiple community builders off the platform.
It’s easy to make allegations like that but you haven’t provided any evidence so far
Also maybe the reason why some people aren’t such big fans of Hexbear/Lemmygrad is because they justify and endorse imperialism, invasions, and murdering, as long as it’s non-western countries doing those things.
I literally commented a screenshot of their user profile where maam says “alt of sunshine” ask @hamid@crazypeople.online about how healthy sunshine is for the fediverse
I meant allegations about harassing and attacking
Note now they didn’t give any proof they’re an alt. Just said “yeah but ask others, I just don’t wanna give you any”
Threaten us more by going back to reddit, Inselaffe
We literally came to lemmy years ago to have an insular safe space. Why would we care about other websites being popular?
Is piefed some other aggregator?
If so I’m not sure how that threatens us tankies. If it gives libs some other place to congregate, all the better
It’s a software similar to Lemmy. It’s fediverse too so really it all works together. You’ll see Piefed users and posts just like any Lemmy user.
Same situation back when Kbin/Mbin was a thing.
Nice. Cool to see decentralisation working
On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, Piefed has a lot of anti-communist shit in its code.
It essentially exists because some libs were whining about supposed tankie censorship, and then made their own lemmy with
blackjack and hookerscensorship had coded into it.Piefed literally has a social credit score for users. You can’t make this shit up ¯_(ツ)_/¯
That’s quite funny
Just a reminder that even other commies don’t like tankies.
It’s been very funny to see the rhetorical slide in the last decade.
-Sure I’m a socialist but I’m not some communist
-Sure I’m a communist but I’m not some kind of tankie
The overton window will continue to shift as conditions deteriorate, reform continues to fail, and us “tankies” continue to be proven correct about everything. Enjoy the ride
I seem to be stuck in the “socialist” line. When are you commies gonna do what you always do with fascists so I don’t have to go down further?
I have identified as a communist since I came out of the alt right pipeline. But I also learned that just because propaganda says one thing that the opposite is true. Having a nuanced view of how to world works isn’t a “rhetorical slide”. Just because the west is evil doesn’t mean the east isn’t.
Two points:
If you believe in evil, your view isn’t as nuanced as you think it is
The assumption that “tankies” (communists with an understanding of history, geopolitics and systems theory) are simply swapping one set of unthinking blanket loyalites for another out of some kind of contrarianism or intellectual laziness is itself an intellectually lazy assumption based in a lack of understanding. If I wanted to do that, I wouldn’t have had to read so many damn books. The actual truth is that the “tankie” worldview is by far the most nuanced out of all the mainstream political tendencies. It is built on dialectical and historical materialism rather than a static liberal idealism composed of floating signifiers. Rigorous analysis, critique and self-critique are built into it’s foundations. To put it simply, the liberal and western leftist understanding of the world is a static, abstract diorama drenched in the residue of christianity while the tankie understanding is a scientific machine in constant motion. When western leftists who haven’t yet examined their internalized propaganda and chauvinism say things like “just because the west is evil doesn’t mean the east isn’t” and think they’re addressing something the “tankie” actually believes, they are projecting their own lack of nuance onto the tankie.
I started this comment feeling a lot more snarky, but have ended it feeling a lot more up to the task of explaining in good faith. I’ve been exactly where you are, I’ve been you. You have not yet been me.
What is now happening to Marx’s theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie.
All the social-chauvinists are now “Marxists” (don’t laugh!).
I am for an armed revolution I just don’t think installing a dictator at the end of it will help the people in a meaningful way long term. Putting a single person in charge will always lead to corruption eventually.
Thank goodness we don’t install dictators but instead elect from a council democratic system
Most commies are “tankies”.
If by “other commies” you actually mean libs, sure
Ok bud
Wow the hexbear brigade really does not like the idea of non-tankies commies. Communists were there before Marx and Engels, some disagreed with them, and still do, and some that agree with Marx and Engels disagree with stalinism and maoism. Authoritarianism isn’t built in communism.
They really hate people calling them out, so they must leave their “insular safe space” to dogpile on users who did a thought crime.
I am said non tankie commie. Its so weird being told I’m a lib by them because I don’t like any repressive regime.
Edit: I find it fascinating that I a trans woman am supposed to support multiple governments that have outright said I ethier don’t exist or jailed people like me.
You see comrade, you’re illegal because Stalin and Mao hate you. You’re the bad working class because you have gender expression. To the education camp!
““Threatened””
I’m sure the tankies are really feeling “threatened” right now by the existence of yet another Reddit tier circlejerking platform.
Not everyone using lemmy is a tankie, you know
Many are, unfortunately
Clearly they are threatened, that’s why they dogpilled your account to show how not offended and threatened they are.
Not scared at all from their “insular safe space” that they leave to do this daily and wonder why nearly every instance defedrates from them.
They seem to be very confident and well adjusted people.
Gotta love how they accused you of being an alt with zero proof because you dared to comment on something.
They could go outside and do some praxis for the theory they say to read, but instead they do this. No wonder why no one but them likes them.