a purity test that about some politicians policy on benefits for homeless people not being enough
So is this the “LA LA LA” you yell while plugging your ears to the actual tests ‘tankies’ apply to politicians usually having to do with imperialism and genocide?
I mean I expected this when I decided to engage with a .ml but still, it’s like you’re reading a completely different comment from the one I wrote.
So against my better judgement I will try to engage you in good faith for a bit longer:
I specified tankies and purity test leftists as different entities for a reason. Tankies do often make good points about western imperialism, the problem (and what makes them tankies) is there blind support for anyone and anything that opposes western imperialism, no matter how bad they are, which is usually support for russian/Chinese imperialism/authoritarian regimes.
Then the purity testers are the ones who will just pointlessly infight about semantics in theory. Like for a real life example, I got purity tested earlier this year for saying I think there’s a difference between systemic racism and an individual act of racism, and anyone can be the victim of an individual act of racism. And apparently that makes me as bad as the KKK.
So in summary I’m happy to talk to you guys about the how bad the effects of western imperialism is and how we to actively fight against it, so long as you don’t claim Russia and China are the good guys, in spite of all the evil shit they do, simply because they are a force that isn’t western.
Tankies do often make good points about western imperialism, the problem (and what makes them tankies) is there blind support for anyone and anything that opposes western imperialism, no matter how bad they are, which is usually support for russian/Chinese imperialism/authoritarian regimes.
This is incorrect, though. Marxists do not have blind support for China, Russia, etc, we disagree with the mainstream western appraisals of these countries. Further, support for Russia is strategic, support for China is because they are an actual socialist country.
If you say we make good points on western imperialism, then you should know that we take a scientific approach to analyzing imperialism, and that this is why our analysis is sound. We don’t have a vibes-based approach to imperialism, which is why we don’t agree to your accusations of, say, Chinese imperialism.
I think it would be a great idea for you to actually give what we say a listen, rather than selectively agreeing with us on what you already believe.
support for Russia is strategic, support for China is because they are an actual socialist country.
This sentence here invalidates anything else you might say. If you “strategically” support the imperialist, authoritarian capitalist power just because they are in opposition to a different imperialist capitalist power, then it’s not actually about oppossing imperialism or capitalism is it? You’re just being a contrarian.
Same with China, it’s not a socialist country is it? The workers don’t have actually power, the party does and the workers can’t chose the party, china still has it’s Uber rich capitalist class that profit off the back of the workers. In fact it’s more of a capitalist hellhole than many western nations, but again tankies will ignore all that and blindly support then because of Pure contrarianisn to US bullshit.
So you guys are just raging hypocrites that will support whatever bullshit, no matter how bad as long it’s vaguely anti-american/anti-western. So you’re as opposed to ACTUAL progress as even the most diehard neo-con, the only difference being how smug and holier than thou you lot are about and the fact that you really should know better.
This sentence here invalidates anything else you might say. If you “strategically” support the imperialist, authoritarian capitalist power just because they are in opposition to a different imperialist capitalist power, then it’s not actually about oppossing imperialism or capitalism is it? You’re just being a contrarian.
Russia is not imperialist. It has a paltry amount of finance capital, has no colonies nor neo-colonies, and does not have a place in the world imperialist system. As a consequence, the global south aligns itself with Russia and China when throwing off the shackles of imperialism. This is why I say we Marxists have a scientific approach to analyzing imperialism that isn’t based on vibes, yet you reduce it back to vibes to discredit me. Nothing I said invalidates my views and analysis, you’re declaring that it does to refuse engaging with it.
Same with China, it’s not a socialist country is it? The workers don’t have actually power, the party does and the workers can’t chose the party, china still has it’s Uber rich capitalist class that profit off the back of the workers. In fact it’s more of a capitalist hellhole than many western nations, but again tankies will ignore all that and blindly support then because of Pure contrarianisn to US bullshit.
This is also why it’s important to study theory and the existing conditions in China, rather than resort to vibes. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, the working class governs the state through the CPC, and unlike the imperialist nations that you’re referring to here, China doesn’t super-exploit the global south but instead has contributed dramatically to the further development of global south countries by undermining imperialism and unequal exchange. I’m not a contrarion, I’ve studied both Marxist-Leninist theory and the PRC’s system to come to the conclusions I have, while you give the appearance of having done neither.
So you guys are just raging hypocrites that will support whatever bullshit, no matter how bad as long it’s vaguely anti-american/anti-western. So you’re as opposed to ACTUAL progress as even the most diehard neo-con, the only difference being how smug and holier than thou you lot are about and the fact that you really should know better.
This is what I mean by liberals refusing to listen to Marxists, and instead plugging their ears when we explain our views and substituting them with irrational, emotion-driven responses. Again, you should actually study socialism and socialist countries, rather than reflexively plug your ears and cover your eyes upon hearing Marxist analysis.
So is this the “LA LA LA” you yell while plugging your ears to the actual tests ‘tankies’ apply to politicians usually having to do with imperialism and genocide?
I mean I expected this when I decided to engage with a .ml but still, it’s like you’re reading a completely different comment from the one I wrote.
So against my better judgement I will try to engage you in good faith for a bit longer:
I specified tankies and purity test leftists as different entities for a reason. Tankies do often make good points about western imperialism, the problem (and what makes them tankies) is there blind support for anyone and anything that opposes western imperialism, no matter how bad they are, which is usually support for russian/Chinese imperialism/authoritarian regimes.
Then the purity testers are the ones who will just pointlessly infight about semantics in theory. Like for a real life example, I got purity tested earlier this year for saying I think there’s a difference between systemic racism and an individual act of racism, and anyone can be the victim of an individual act of racism. And apparently that makes me as bad as the KKK.
So in summary I’m happy to talk to you guys about the how bad the effects of western imperialism is and how we to actively fight against it, so long as you don’t claim Russia and China are the good guys, in spite of all the evil shit they do, simply because they are a force that isn’t western.
This is incorrect, though. Marxists do not have blind support for China, Russia, etc, we disagree with the mainstream western appraisals of these countries. Further, support for Russia is strategic, support for China is because they are an actual socialist country.
If you say we make good points on western imperialism, then you should know that we take a scientific approach to analyzing imperialism, and that this is why our analysis is sound. We don’t have a vibes-based approach to imperialism, which is why we don’t agree to your accusations of, say, Chinese imperialism.
I think it would be a great idea for you to actually give what we say a listen, rather than selectively agreeing with us on what you already believe.
I was just going to say, I’ve been on Lemmy for like 6 months and I’ve literally never seen a .ml user blindly support China or Russia.
On the other hand, I’ve seen tons of non-.ml users blindly hate those countries.
Because communism is a fringe position in the west, it takes a lot of study to come to communism in English-speaking communities, as a generalization.
This sentence here invalidates anything else you might say. If you “strategically” support the imperialist, authoritarian capitalist power just because they are in opposition to a different imperialist capitalist power, then it’s not actually about oppossing imperialism or capitalism is it? You’re just being a contrarian.
Same with China, it’s not a socialist country is it? The workers don’t have actually power, the party does and the workers can’t chose the party, china still has it’s Uber rich capitalist class that profit off the back of the workers. In fact it’s more of a capitalist hellhole than many western nations, but again tankies will ignore all that and blindly support then because of Pure contrarianisn to US bullshit.
So you guys are just raging hypocrites that will support whatever bullshit, no matter how bad as long it’s vaguely anti-american/anti-western. So you’re as opposed to ACTUAL progress as even the most diehard neo-con, the only difference being how smug and holier than thou you lot are about and the fact that you really should know better.
Russia is not imperialist. It has a paltry amount of finance capital, has no colonies nor neo-colonies, and does not have a place in the world imperialist system. As a consequence, the global south aligns itself with Russia and China when throwing off the shackles of imperialism. This is why I say we Marxists have a scientific approach to analyzing imperialism that isn’t based on vibes, yet you reduce it back to vibes to discredit me. Nothing I said invalidates my views and analysis, you’re declaring that it does to refuse engaging with it.
This is also why it’s important to study theory and the existing conditions in China, rather than resort to vibes. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, the working class governs the state through the CPC, and unlike the imperialist nations that you’re referring to here, China doesn’t super-exploit the global south but instead has contributed dramatically to the further development of global south countries by undermining imperialism and unequal exchange. I’m not a contrarion, I’ve studied both Marxist-Leninist theory and the PRC’s system to come to the conclusions I have, while you give the appearance of having done neither.
This is what I mean by liberals refusing to listen to Marxists, and instead plugging their ears when we explain our views and substituting them with irrational, emotion-driven responses. Again, you should actually study socialism and socialist countries, rather than reflexively plug your ears and cover your eyes upon hearing Marxist analysis.
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