• REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.mlM
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      19 hours ago

      Literally everyone in the 90s and 00s: “NATO expansion towards Russia will lead to violent escalation, don’t do it.”

      US: Does it anyway. Also dismisses several Russian initiatives to Join NATO or at least setting up a free trade zone from Lisbon to Vladiwostok.

      Russia: Outright tells the US trying to get Ukraine into NATO was its red line.

      US: Coups the Ukrainian government, puts nazis in government and swarms the country with agents.

      Ukraine: Starts supressing its Russian minority, worshipping nazis. Starts a civil war.

      8 years, and several peace initiatives by Russia later: Russia intervenes int he civil war citing “responsibility to protect”, which the US previously used to bomb Yugoslawia and cut off Kosovo.

      You: “RUSSIA IS A PROBLEM!!!1111111”

      Yeah, because it didn’t roll over and let the US fuck it again.

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      23 hours ago

      Nah. I don’t buy the “Russian threat” conspiracy theory. Russia never threatened me. European governments do. Russia can’t arrest me or freeze my accounts if i say something they don’t like. The EU can. Russia isn’t threatening to conscript my kids to send them to a pointless war on behalf of the Brussels elite and Washington interests. My government is.

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      21 hours ago

      More like Europe made Russia a problem for themselves for no reason. Russia would have happily been friend with NATO and the EU if only they’d stop being frothing at the mouth bloodthirstily red in the face mad about the fact Russia didn’t let them make it a cheap labor vassal like they did to the rest of the former eastern block after the USSR collapsed.

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      23 hours ago

      Countries are not “bad”. There’s this thing called diplomatic ties, and if you keep them no one will start a war against you.

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          22 hours ago

          That’s not how it work, there are bad countries

          Yes the US empire, its European vassal states and its proxy committing genocide in Palestine are the worst. By that metric that’s what was meant, right? Otherwise to draw a false equivalence one would have to be absurdly racist.

          If interested then please educate yourself:

          • Killing Hope - Blum
          • Washington Bullets - Prashad

          The US has a long history of destablising the majority of the countries in this world of which Ukraine is but one example. What you are doing is looking at a long list of victims of a serial killer but saying not this particular one because the serial killer said so.