This feels like trying to explain to someone that you can have 2 different infinities, and one is larger than the other. Both are bad, but one is clearly worse.
“What’s the difference if you end up at the same place?”
The difference is that 2 genocides is not the same place as 1 genocide. It is reasonable to criticize the people supporting a genocide while at the same time recognizing that the people wanting more genocides are not the same.
I don’t live in the US, there are no consequences for me as a result of Trump being president. Significantly more people are being harmed under Trump and I actually give a shit about other people instead of putting some idealized moral high ground above actual human lives.
People were being harmed under Biden, our foreign and domestic policy has consequences for the vast majority of the world, you’re either a moron or lying
“Everything America does directly affects everyone else in the world. You only care now because of this. I cared before and that’s why I did nothing to stop this.”
“I won’t vote for someone who isn’t speaking about X” is an idealized moral high ground when the alternative is not only X getting worse, but even more X happening.
“I won’t vote for someone who isn’t speaking about X” is an idealized moral high ground when the alternative is not only X getting worse, but even more X happening.
Fuck you you genocidal prick. Substituting genocide for “x” is disgusting. It’s not “oh there’s just this one bad thing”. It’s genocide. It’s literally the worst possible thing you can do on this planet. And you’re saying other people have an idealised moral high ground because they think GENOCIDE is something that should never be done.
Right, the person complaining about there being more genocide means they… want genocide? What a useful thought terminating cliche you have there that gives you an excuse to avoid questioning if your own actions could have been better.
It’s genocide. It’s literally the worst possible thing you can do on this planet
You know what’s worse than genocide? More genocide. I don’t know how to simplify this further for you.
The entire world isn’t genocide. If, for example, there isn’t a genocide happening in England, and one starts in England, that would be more genocide than what is currently happening in the world. Seeing that and saying “the exact same amount of genocide is happening” just makes you sound like a fucking idiot.
The difference is that 2 genocides is not the same place as 1 genocide.
You are already a fascist. You have already approved the genocide of a nation for the sake of what? Saving minorities in America? Guess what you will send them straight to the furnace the moment they become “expedient” to sacrifice for your own gain.
The meme is the trolly problem, and this guy is saying “it doesn’t matter if you pull the lever, someone dies either way, it’s exactly the same!”
Except in the actual situation is more like “if you pull the lever the trolly will divert from running over group A and will run over group B. If you do nothing the trolly accelerates and runs over both groups A and B.”
I’m saying it’s worth pulling the lever while you work on a solution to stop the trolly. Someone arguing against that either doesn’t care about group A, or cares more about not being involved than in actually saving lives.
Hell yeah brother. Personally I think Hitler was fucking great and would vote for him in a heartbeat if it meant stopping Himmler from being in charge. /s
At what point did I say Democrats were fucking great? They are absolute shit and people need to stand up for something better.
You also need to live in fucking reality a realize that stopping things from getting a lot fucking worse is worthwhile while you work on trying to get something better.
Also, Republican’s are the Nazi’s here. You refused to vote against Hitler.
To be clear, I personally don’t believe that genocidal fascism has to be a non-negotiable bipartisan policy that we just have to accept. I’m just trying to make the point that, if I did accept that premise, then the logical next step would be accelerationism.
This feels like trying to explain to someone that you can have 2 different infinities, and one is larger than the other. Both are bad, but one is clearly worse.
“What’s the difference if you end up at the same place?”
The difference is that 2 genocides is not the same place as 1 genocide. It is reasonable to criticize the people supporting a genocide while at the same time recognizing that the people wanting more genocides are not the same.
The only real difference is that there are consequences for you at home in the US and that’s the only part you actually care about
And a million dead kids because Trump killed usaid but go off I guess.
“But what about the american children” like I said
I don’t live in the US, there are no consequences for me as a result of Trump being president. Significantly more people are being harmed under Trump and I actually give a shit about other people instead of putting some idealized moral high ground above actual human lives.
People were being harmed under Biden, our foreign and domestic policy has consequences for the vast majority of the world, you’re either a moron or lying
American exceptionalism strikes again.
“Everything America does directly affects everyone else in the world. You only care now because of this. I cared before and that’s why I did nothing to stop this.”
It’s not exceptionalism it’s the direct result of our interference in other governments, goddamn you’re dumb
Zero genocide isn’t an idealised moral high ground and it’s incredibly telling to see someone excuse it.
“I won’t vote for someone who isn’t speaking about X” is an idealized moral high ground when the alternative is not only X getting worse, but even more X happening.
Fuck you you genocidal prick. Substituting genocide for “x” is disgusting. It’s not “oh there’s just this one bad thing”. It’s genocide. It’s literally the worst possible thing you can do on this planet. And you’re saying other people have an idealised moral high ground because they think GENOCIDE is something that should never be done.
Right, the person complaining about there being more genocide means they… want genocide? What a useful thought terminating cliche you have there that gives you an excuse to avoid questioning if your own actions could have been better.
You know what’s worse than genocide? More genocide. I don’t know how to simplify this further for you.
The person belittling a genocide is a genocidal prick. There is no “more genocide”. If genocide isn’t a redline for you then you’re a genocidal prick.
The entire world isn’t genocide. If, for example, there isn’t a genocide happening in England, and one starts in England, that would be more genocide than what is currently happening in the world. Seeing that and saying “the exact same amount of genocide is happening” just makes you sound like a fucking idiot.
You are already a fascist. You have already approved the genocide of a nation for the sake of what? Saving minorities in America? Guess what you will send them straight to the furnace the moment they become “expedient” to sacrifice for your own gain.
The first they came for poem comes to mind.
How do you find yourself typing something like this and not pause for thought?
What’s worse than genocide?
2 genocides.
I don’t know how to make this any more clear.
Seriously, how do you not pause for thought typing that out?
The meme is the trolly problem, and this guy is saying “it doesn’t matter if you pull the lever, someone dies either way, it’s exactly the same!”
Except in the actual situation is more like “if you pull the lever the trolly will divert from running over group A and will run over group B. If you do nothing the trolly accelerates and runs over both groups A and B.”
I’m saying it’s worth pulling the lever while you work on a solution to stop the trolly. Someone arguing against that either doesn’t care about group A, or cares more about not being involved than in actually saving lives.
Hell yeah brother. Personally I think Hitler was fucking great and would vote for him in a heartbeat if it meant stopping Himmler from being in charge. /s
At what point did I say Democrats were fucking great? They are absolute shit and people need to stand up for something better.
You also need to live in fucking reality a realize that stopping things from getting a lot fucking worse is worthwhile while you work on trying to get something better.
Also, Republican’s are the Nazi’s here. You refused to vote against Hitler.
Himmler was also a Nazi, genius, that was the point of the analogy.
And when both sides are genocidal fascists, the lesser evil option is whatever destroys the country the fastest.
Cool, what are your doing to destroy the country faster? Or having you convinced yourself that inaction is helpful?
Voting for a genocidal politician: action!
Doing nothing while a genocidal political takes control and does more genocide: action!
To be clear, I personally don’t believe that genocidal fascism has to be a non-negotiable bipartisan policy that we just have to accept. I’m just trying to make the point that, if I did accept that premise, then the logical next step would be accelerationism.
Cool, so you’re just arguing things you don’t believe and only admit to that when you recieve push back.
So glad actual hitler was defeated by voting against him.
The people who make compromises with the Nazis have convinced you that voting is the most important and only tool at your disposal.
I’m so glad Hitler was voted into power and not Himmler that would’ve been bad.
Never said that either. You seem to be having a conversation with someone else so I’ll leave you to it.