Yeah I presume - though I have no idea, really - that horseshoe theory is what it was being tongue-in-cheek TO.

And it seems remarkably effective in that goal, as evidenced by many people (other than myself) continuing to share it. It offers a nice balance of simplicity and complexity, at least in the sense of going one level deeper than left vs. right.

Donate 😋

I don’t think I am allowed to answer this - I’ve had one comment removed already for trying to answer this question, citing rule 5, but you can read through those that were allowed to remain. The short answer though is yes.

Absolutely, stay away from Reddit 🤢🤮, it’ll do your mental health a lot of good!

Lemmy was designed to appeal to instance admins - as it should be? - and seems to work just fine in the eyes and hands of the developers, who also admin and moderate the lemmy.ml (and with close ties also to the lemmygrad.ml) instance(s).

As the comments in this very OP show though, the developers have been exceedingly slow - perhaps not intentionally - in making the software work as well in the wider Threadiverse, where activities such as moderation can now be shared by others.

Also, many times changes have seemed to me to be moving in the opposite direction, towards rather than away from authoritarian control. Two examples include the switch from showing the name of a specific mod to now simply say “mod” (which wouldn’t be bad at all if there was a modmail, but since there is not… it leaves the end-user little recourse to ask questions about a ban?), and the “instance banning” (which btw seems horribly misnamed to me, as it does not “block” much of anything, merely muting communities on that instance) that used to not trigger notifications when someone from the instance that you tried to “block” would reply to your content, but then in a later version allowed those notifications, here too leaving users far less power to accomplish their desires. In contrast, instance admins have a full defederation option available to them, but what option is left to the end user to block all users from an instance, who can DM, vote, and reply to your content to their hearts content, while you can do little about the matter. To clarify, I mean on Lemmy, whereas PieFed allows blocking all users from an instance.

And looking at the moderation practices used on Lemmy.ml - particularly the lack of transparency where people are routinely banned for rules that are never outright stated - makes me think that the authoritarian principles baked into the Lemmy codebase are not an oversight, but rather a feature. At least in the sense of being de-prioritized.

Which is their right btw to implement the code however they see fit. Perhaps someone can contribute a PR, maybe they’ll accept and share it with everyone. And also, people are free to use and contribute to PieFed, which has an entirely different set of principles that are based far less on authoritarian control.

I seem to have conflated multiple things there - that is a common test that is often used to determine if someone is to be labeled as a “tankie”, but yes is not its actual definition.

It seems more common knowledge for people actually in Europe. Many people in the USA seem to have never really heard the word. Especially the younger generations (which since this is a memes community… does seem slightly relevant to your statement, as I would expect a broader populace here as opposed to a community dedicated to discussions of world-wide import).

At a guess, it might be intended to depict the concept of True (as in Genuine, Authentic) Far Left?

If so, I would argue that a corporate symbol does not match perfectly with the ideals of a Far Left, so I’d give it a grade of A for process (summarizing a lot of information into just one symbol) but only a C for outcome. It seems better if it had simply been removed entirely.

Then again, it’s easy for us to criticize, and it was harder for someone else to have created it initially, so props to whoever did that - overall I think that the image conveys a lot and is a good match for the concepts (that one symbol aside).

Also, to me it seems obviously tongue-in-cheek, not meant so much for actual conveyance of teaching real information so much as to provide a bit of brevity surrounding the topic. (Usage of the word “fuck” aside, there’s also “whatever”, which seems not congruous with like an academic - even at the Wikipedia level - discussion of the reality of the topic matters, chiefly since it lacks precision.) Then again, I could be wrong.🤔

Your terminology is off, leading to confusion.

You don’t log into generic “software”, but rather specific “instances” aka machines. Your current account is on feddit.uk, which runs the Lemmy software, an implementation of the ActivityPub Protocol, which makes it part of the overall Threadiverse, the threaded, topic-focused subset of the wider Fediverse. Other members of the Threadiverse include PieFed and K/Mbin, and others too (nodeBB, flarum, the latter I’m not positive is all the way here yet though, and Sublinks although that project hasn’t been updated in a long while after the developer had a baby).

Anyway, PieFed is another implementation of the ActivityPub Protocol and therefore another member of the Threadiverse. Here is an example community on a PieFed instance: !casualconversation@piefed.social. Note how clicking that link shows the content without you having to leave your instance at all - because it is also on the Threadiverse.

I am on one of the PieFed instances, while you are on one of the Lemmy instances - note how that does not impact our conversation here in the slightest. Though PieFed does offer a large number of features that Lemmy lacks - and conversely Lemmy has a tiny bit of features that PieFed does not do as well with.

You can start your own instance if you like, and if you do it can be either Lemmy or PieFed (or Mbin, etc.), but that’s a separate issue. For now if you are considering the additional features that PieFed offers over Lemmy (caveat: you won’t see them in a mobile app yet, only the web browser interface is fully functional atm), then you can check one out at e.g. https://piefed.world/, or see the list at https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser.

A “community” on the Threadiverse means something different than an “instance”. A community is like a subreddit, it’s the focal point of our talking on the Threadiverse, unlike e.g. specific people being the focus on Mastodon (there you subscribe to “people”/“accounts”, whereas here you subscribe to “communities”, or I think Mbin calls them “magazines”). In order to start your own community using PieFed software, you’ll definitely need an account on an instance that runs PieFed - whether you host it yourself or get an account on an existing one.

I have never tried to start my own PieFed instance, but people say that it’s much more streamlined and requires fewer resources than Lemmy. There are other areas that Lemmy does better though, especially searching for content where PieFed’s implementation is horribly bad (by design believe it or not, it has not been made a priority yet, so whenever I need that functionality I switch over to my Lemmy alt, or you can do it on any Lemmy instance without needing to log in with an account at all). Here is a helpful community in that regard: !piefed_meta@piefed.social.

It is not an ideal community, but is there some other link that I should have put there instead?

Omg I love this energy.

Or at least I did back when I was alive, just before seeing this actually, wow, what a coincidence! 🤔

You claimed that Lemmy.ml is not authoritarian, were pointed to multiple communities pointing out thousands of instances where it was shown that it is, and still claimed that it is not, nor can be by definition, which you later recanted as a poor wording choice…

Anyway, that was a discussion with one single individual, with almost no up or downvotes that I could see, so essentially a private conversation even if held in a public space. And the individual you conversed with has only a six month old account, has nothing to do with the admin or development team that I am aware of, and mods only a few gaming communities.

That’s not “people”, that’s one person, singular, who has nothing to do with the info community, and I definitely did not see the “bunch of people accusing” you.

Anyway this post was intended as lighthearted fun, though it seems to have struck quite a nerve. Maybe it’s because people on lemmy.ml are calling for literal murder and the downfall of Western civilization (go see for yourself, or e.g. those communities you were referred to catalog such cases if you want an easier time going straight to it), and Lemmy.ml and the Lemmy source code are becoming increasingly interlocked over time, rather than lessening that decency.

Does it… speak to for you?

If that helps prepare them to contribute to PieFed, while not knowing Rust would be an impediment, then that’s a good thing, in this case?

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Good idea💡, in that case! 😃

It seems to work so well 😁

Well I mentioned how you can accomplish that now already - just not subscribe to those communities, or use Feeds that incorporate them. I suppose it’s a hard job to make an entire Threadiverse platform so I can only guess what underlying reasons Rimu may have for not wanting to implement the model you described to streamline that process.